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In Japan and South Korea there is deepening concern over the reliability of long-time American security guarantees – whether the U.S. will come to their aid in the event of a war. This has been turbo-charged by Donald Trump’s tough treatment of traditional U.S. allies, which has some in Tokyo and Seoul calling for a reassessment of their non-nuclear policies.

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[–] F_State@midwest.social 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

As an American, I don't trust Trump to come to America's aid. I'd be sweeting bullets if I was Korea and Japan.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Well the US did promise to come to Ukraine's aid if they gave up their nukes...and here we are.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 2 points 12 hours ago

If Trump had still been president in 2022, I highly doubt we would have come to Ukraine's aid in any substantial way.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 35 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You know who really needs the bomb? Canada needs the bomb. It has a hostile authoritarian military superpower on its border with 10x the population, hostile trade relations, and a stated intention by national leaders to invade and conquer core Canadian territories. Canada is in the exact situation where a nuclear deterrent is most justifiable. If nukes are ever justifiable, they're justifiable for small powers facing potential invasion by aggressive larger ones.

Canada needs the bomb.

[–] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

That's the difference between Obama's stance of "we won't use the bomb if you don't have it" and trump/Putin's "we won't take you seriously if you don't have the bomb"

One encourages disarmormebt. The other armorment

[–] F_State@midwest.social 2 points 16 hours ago

The worst part of the Trump regime is knowing we're in the Fallout Timeline

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

Japan actually has the technology and know-how to rapidly spin up a nuclear weapons program because they were already doing it before signing up on their non-nuclear policies with the US.

The real question is which country is going to be the first to actually jump ship. I'm fairly certain like 95% of the UN is just going to wait out Trump's term and hope the next president will undo all his insane plans, because no one wants to lose longstanding ties with the US, even as the rug pull of 70+ years of American influence going under gets closer to reality.

[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After the UN ramble yesterday, no one should rely on Trump and the US for anything. Every country should be looking for alternatives to US guarantees.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I didn't watch and haven't seen anything on it. Was it Normal 2025 Trump bad, or something extra special?

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 8 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Bla bla bla immigration is the root of all evil bla bla bla we should be shooting down Russian jets bla bla bla

Average mixed bag dementia patient enabled by unknown drug cocktail.

[–] BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Also him whining about the building because he didn't get the contract to renovate the place or some dumb shit. "Eeerg the escalator broke" bitch shut up they just became stairs move your bloated legs once in a while

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It's very incoherent. Either Donald has become the usual "old man yelling at the sky", or he's genuinely unhinged long time ago. People say Donald used to be more sane decades ago but it could've been an act back then. Anyway, sorry for making comparison with Hitler again but Hitler also did the same on his book Mein Kampf; a lot of it is just rambling.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 4 points 18 hours ago

Watch the videos. There are interviews in the 80s or 90s where there is a clear train of thought and a logical progression to his statements. His phone interview after 9/11 is less coherent, but not too bad from a grammatical and logical standpoint. These days, he can't string together 2 or 3 complete sentences about a single topic. Note that none of this is related to the truth or accuracy of his statements.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 13 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Japan having nukes is gonna be PR nightmare given their imperialistic history lol.

As for South Korea and ROC/Taiwan, sure thing. UK ot France should sell them some nuclear armed submarines lol.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

what if they launch them out of gundams? that seems like it wouldn't be quite so much of a PR nightmare

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 6 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, not really. Barely anyone is alive who remembers these things viscerally, and people don't pay attention to history at all, if they even know the broad strokes

[–] F_State@midwest.social 3 points 16 hours ago

There's still alot of animosity from South Korea towards Japan. The threat from China and American unreliability has driven them together politically but the animosity still remains on an individual level.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

I suppose. At the moment, most countries in East and South East Asia are wary of China because of maritime disputes. If anything, this will be a good PR opportunity for Japan to gloss its history by engaging with countries having a problem with China. Tokyo already made overtures to India and Philippines because of China.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 13 hours ago
[–] grte@lemmy.ca 81 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Hey Canada...We should be thinking about this, also.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago

I've been saying that since 2008 as a teen but man was that an unpopular opinion. We're a very naive country imo.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I can't blame them for wanting to do it. Same with a whole lot of other countries right now.

I'd also like to point out that this will necessitate a new round of nuclear weapons tests. We're giving up on a hard won success:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel#Present_day

World anthropogenic background radiation, caused by atmospheric nuclear testing, peaked at a level 0.11 mSv/yr (4%) above the natural 2.40 mSv/yr. It began to fall in 1963, when the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty was enacted, and by 2008 it had decreased to only 0.005 mSv/yr above natural levels. This has made special low-background steel no longer necessary for most radiation-sensitive uses, as new steel now has a low enough radioactive signature.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (22 children)

it seems that only my country (iran) having nukes is bad.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 2 points 16 hours ago

I think Israel having Nukes is worse than Iran having Nukes but really any country having nukes is "bad"

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Wrong Abrahamic DLC is all it takes.

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[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 day ago (7 children)

This is going to result in some really confused Akira spinoffs

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My understanding is that Japan is de facto an nuclear armed state, they simply haven't made an warheads. They have the all the necessary technology and fuel enrichment, so they could quickly arm if they thought it would be necessary in the near future.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Don't be silly, the US will be happy to sell weapons to South Korea and Japan. Also, they will sell to whoever attacks them!

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