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Well, I know I’m real, so by virtue, I believe you to be as well.
Do I think I’m smart enough to have been able to come up with a language system of my own that makes sense to me rather than just a bunch of mood grunts? Nope.
The test? My understanding of the test is to see if we can be good people and if we can build a symbiotic relationship with our planet and other planets. It’s been a rocky few millennia for us people, but in spite of how chaotic life has been, it oddly feels like we are all much closer together than in prior generations.
I feel that what we need to do to make things better starts with ourselves. If I’m happy, then I can share my happiness with others. If I hold love in my heart, I can share love for others as well. If I hold anger, judgment, or dislike then those things can tend to spill out, even when that’s not what I would want. Connecting with my roots has helped me to have my heart, rather than being cold and more self-centered.
If we’re in a good spot, we can help our friends, we can help our neighbors, our local communities; we can create a culture of positive change. When everyone’s backs are against the wall, people need community now more than ever.
Taking that step forward every day will help you; for me, it involved making a promise to myself to never stop moving forward. Hydrate yourself often, focus on getting nourishing meals three times a day, building yourself a routine will help, having a cup of coffee each day is beneficial, limit caffeine intake to one or two cups and only before noon, play brown noise in the background to help drown out any rude or critical thoughts or feelings, and low dose melatonin =<1mg for sleeping soundly and peacefully at night helps as well. I recommend visiting a therapist if you can afford it, but invest in yourself today because you are worth it. I spent a decade learning these lessons, but I’ve been thriving more the past few years now :D
You can't know. There are so many options for what could be true. All I can know for a fact is that I exist as a thinking being. The rest of my 'knowledge' exists within the framework that the world I experience through the senses is 'real'. And if it is brain chemicals, I fear knowing truth might not help. I'm also feeling a bit depressed right now, and the only thing that's really helped me is crying, and the right brain chemicals 😕
You really think you're so important that the entire world revolves around you?
Important? No
Persecuted? Yes.
(See for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung.)
To the state, I'm just another dissident for them to crush like a bug.
My existence was outlawed by the CCP for the fact that I was the second one born in my family. The world doesn't "revolve around me", but my existence definitely got on the the government's radar, they got so pissed at their "birth control" law being violated that they send people looking for my mother to terminate me. There are many like me, and most of them did not get a Hukou / have a legal identity (I fortunately did eventually got it and my family was able to leave the country) so they couldn't even get income or ride a train (since those needs IDs).
Sorry I'm having anxiety attacks, so my mind just thinks all the negative thoughts.
I was referring to that:
Are y’all even real? What if y’all are just part of the program to torture me? What if this is a test? What if this is a VR simulation and the societal collapse is just moral character test to see if I would be do anything about it?
Because that sounds like main character syndrome stuff.
Oh sorry, that's my anxiety talking lol
You are the universe experiencing itself. I highly suggest reading some Albert Camus or listening to some Allan Watts lectures on YouTube.
Like imagine a society in the far future like 26th century and in a history class where people are wondering “why didn’t the 21st century humans rise up against their oppressors” and then this VR simulation is just testing the students “what would you have done”
And if you become self-aware in the middle of the simulation, it ruins the point of the lesson and you have to repeat the class.
Nice going!
repeat the class
Noooo I hate it. I don't wanna do the "going to the dentist and have to get my bay teeth pulled" part again, fucking HELL. 😭
It is what it is.
The thing is you have no way of getting to a higher position in order to discern the truths that are directly in front of your face.
So the only sane response to the universe that we are presented with is to treat it as if it is what it is.
Of course, feel free to keep your skepticism and, you know, to play the game however you choose to play it. Just know that there is no exit that is not eternal at this time as far as anyone knows.
I had a sort of similar problem once and a therapist asked me if I knew what a cairn was. It's a pile of rocks usually from biggest to smallest, maybe in the woods or whatever. Point is it has no place being there in nature, but yet there it is. The obvious conclusion is that someone made that. With intention. Then he asked me to look at the nature of the universe, DNA, all of it. It has order. It shouldn't exist, but there it is. Something made it with intention. Still not sure I buy that, but his point made sense. Wether you constructed this or not, it's here, and has order and intent. So even if it's all fake and you made it up, you made up one hell of a fantastical and wonderful thing that mostly defies explanation. Countless studies toil away attempting to explain it. But they can't. And neither can you. Doubly so if you are the one who created it. Appreciate the complicated nonsense.
If I could just argue with your therapist for a moment - cairns (Cairns) are well researched and understood human creations, whereas we have exactly zero evidence the universe was made with intention, and definitely no evidence that there's any intent or any point to any of it.
All that said, I respect the perspective of gratitude and radical acceptance.
No argument here. The dude was always pushing religious tones, but I'm not into that. But ultimately he wanted me to accept my reality, real or not.
A therapist pushing their personal beliefs on you is the kind of ethical violation state licensing boards will usually take seriously, fyi
To be clear:
When you “make” a cairn, you’re reorganizing stuff that already exists. In fact, whenever we say “make”, we usually mean modifying something that already exists.
It’s reasonable to assume that a painting has a painter. We have experience with how paint behaves over time when left alone, and it doesn’t assemble itself into a painting by default.
We don’t have first-hand intuitive experience with how cosmic amounts of matter behave over time. But we do have measuring tools and mathematical models, which give us a pretty good view of how it does seem to assemble itself into Earth-like places and even the prerequisites for life itself.
And we also have a good enough understanding of Earth’s history to know why we’re missing the ability to measure some of the most interesting steps here on our planet.
Buuuut all of that is pointless to our question anyway. Because we’ve been talking about whether “makers” are necessary to reorganize matter over time. And you made a leap from that to “making” matter and time itself. That is something for which we do not have an analogous experience.
If “making” means taking raw materials in a “before” time and combining them into something else in an “after” time… how do you “make” the very concept of “making”, and “when” does that occur if it must be “before” the concept of a “before”?
I have no "proof of reality" to offer you (Plato had similar thoughts with his "shadows in a cave" analogy), but in all cases I have heard of pursuing these hypotheticals too far simply feeds neuroses rather than uncovering the Illuminati. The current US paroxysms of conservative conspiracy theories are IMO the product of failing to rein in such unproductive thought... do you really want to go down this road?
Your 26th century bit reminds me of the Continuum tv series. Entertaining story, but not likely to be worth building your reality on.
The current US paroxysms of conservative conspiracy theories are IMO the product of failing to rein in such unproductive thought
Counterpoint: There are also people that completely disregard the potential of conspiracy theories being actually true. People keep saying "they can't do this, its illegal!" with no deeper thought as to what laws even mean. Its just another sheet of paper.
Like NSA global surveillance. If you told people that before the Snowden Leaks, you would've been labeled as a crazy person.
MKUltra seemed insane until it got declassified, just as with COINTELPRO.
There are two extremes:
One is the 100% law-abiding person with zero doubts and just eats anything they're told at face value.
The other end is the "government bad, therefore the opposite of what the government say must be true", which is also equally ridiculous. I mean, just because the government says the sky is blue, doesn't suddenly turn the sky red (yes I know its technically light reflections and all that lol)
Its very difficult to find the line of truth. There are government propaganda from every country, there are nutjobs and cultists spreading their propaganda, there are some dissidents actually telling the truth, but how do you even tell the difference between a legitimate dissident and a conspiracy theorist nutjob?
Even scientists/doctors can't be trusted. They used to say "smoking is healthy" but then we found out they just got paid. Its hard to know if the info you get, have a more sinister origin.
Quick question: who could devote a fortune to make a fake world just to see what you do? Are you really, seriously, incredibly interesting?
Let me guess you’re not, as we all know there are many people much more Truman-Showable that you or me or most of the people here. The logical conclusion is that no one would spending money to deceive you, because reality is free.
If you really are depressed, devote a weekend to help some local charity. Helping others always puts my problems in perspective.
Idk man, I mean like not exactly a "Truman Show", but more like a target of Zersetzung, Stasi loved torturing dissidents by trying break their friendships, they would hide surveillance inside people's homes, even go as far as rearranging household items to gaslight them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung
I'm a dissident both to the PRC and USA's current admin, its not unthinkable that I'm a victim of a new-modern day Zersetzung
As applied by the Stasi, Zersetzung is a technique to subvert and undermine an opponent. The aim was to disrupt the target's private or family life so they are unable to continue their "hostile-negative" activities towards the state. Typically, the Stasi would use collaborators to garner details from a victim's private life. They would then devise a strategy to "disintegrate" the target's personal circumstances—their career, their relationship with their spouse, their reputation in the community. They would even seek to alienate them from their children. [...] The security service's goal was to use Zersetzung to "switch off" regime opponents. After months and even years of Zersetzung a victim's domestic problems grew so large, so debilitating, and so psychologically burdensome that they would lose the will to struggle against the East German state. Best of all, the Stasi's role in the victim's personal misfortunes remained tantalisingly hidden. The Stasi operations were carried out in complete operational secrecy. The service acted like an unseen and malevolent god, manipulating the destinies of its victims.
It was in the mid-1970 that Honecker's secret police began to employ these perfidious methods. At that moment the GDR was finally achieving international respectability. [...] Honecker's predecessor, Walter Ulbricht, was an old-fashioned Stalinist thug. He used open terror methods to subdue his post-war population: show trials, mass arrests, camps, torture and the secret police.
But two decades after east Germany had become a communist paradise of workers and peasants, most citizens were acquiescent. When a new group of dissidents began to protest against the regime, Honecker came to the conclusion that different tactics were needed. Mass terror was no longer appropriate and might damage the GDR's international reputation. A cleverer strategy was called for. [...] The most insidious aspect of Zersetzung is that its victims are almost invariably not believed.
Also, the UK undercover police got in relationships with dissidents to spy on them
(Just a theory tho, not too deeply serious about it, but its still terrifying to even entertain the thought of being a potential victim.)
Read the book Being Peace by Thich Nhat Hahn. It's about realizing it doesn't matter. Nothing matters and it's freeing.
It's only freeing if you want it to be true. If you're like me you want things to matter inherently so knowing that isn't true is painful.
You are the architect.
If you dig this train of thought go get into Gnosticism. You dont have to be a zealot or actually believe it. But it vibes so well with what's going on today.
An yes, main character syndrome. Are you a teen? Teens in particular have a warped perception of everyone else's attention.
Sorry I didn't mean it like that, my brain isn't operating at 100% cpu right now, its hard to think clearly with depression.
About 2 decades ago I was a fetus and a government ruling over 1/7 of the world's population came after me before I was even born (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy#Enforcement). I was the second one born in my family, my existence was illegal. Then they tried denying me the legal documents like a birth certificate.
Then later my older brother started being abusive towards me and he tied me up at home using zipties and watched me suffer. He would've been the only child had my parents followed the government policy, but then I came into existence and he didn't like that my parents had to split their attention, so that's why he was torturing me. It got so bad that one day, I ran away from home once, then later my own mother told me she would not miss me if I was gone. Then the family (I'm saying "the" family instead of "my" family, because I don't feel like I was ever part of it) moved to the US, and I was promptly facing racism and xenophobia, my fellow Chinese American classmates didn't defend me either. People would exclude me, and I once overheard kids talking shit about me behind my back. Then when I defended myself against a bully, I was the one that got arrested. School admins decided to be a dick, I was a minor for fucks sake, and it was fucking SELF-DEFENCE.
Now my adopted country's government declared war on non-whites. My previous country is already a failed dictatorship. I have no where to go. Which is why I feel like this is a torture chamber designed to punish me.
Less of "attention" more like notoriety. Everyone hates me for some reason.
Sounds awful, i think i can empathize. I strongly suggest thinking much less about grand concepts, and instead put all your thoughts and energy into practical things you can do to improve your life. Things like:
- Go to the gym
- Find a therapist, or if you've got one try to find a better one
- Apply to school, or if you already are in one then try to improve your grades
- Look for a job, or if you've got one try to find a better one
- Start going to more social events, like local block parties
- Make a goal to say hi to a stranger every day
- Join a hobby group
- Start doing a new skill like painting or guitar
- Volunteer at a hospital
... and other stuff like that. Focus on how to make your everyday life a better life to be living
The author is setting up your backstory before you get the cool superpowers /hj
On a more serious note
Endure. In enduring grow strong.
~Dak'kon from Planescape: Torment
And don't you dare go hollow!
Honestly, my "backstory" is absolutely insane.
Like normally people just have the typical "I was an unwanted child"/"failed abortion", or "I was born as a result of [S.A.]", but like mine just went from 0 to 100, "my government sent agents to try find my mother to force an abortion" crazy icebreaker. Its an insane story, but I was born during the years when that policy was active, and I do have an older brother, so I know that my mother wasn't just bullshitting me, its corroborated by legal documents, relatives, history and news articles regarding that policy, and my childhood memories.
But what good is a good "backstory" if I die within the first 10 minutes of the movie?
Cuz I'm totally just getting the GoT season 1 "anyone can die" death
GoT S01 Spoilers
I'mma so get Ned Starked 👀
Or worse, those dudes on the wall that got executed in the very first acts.