I don't completely hate MacOS, it's pretty nice IMO.

GNOME instantly gets replaced by KDE Plasma though. With Cosmic also installed for some fun alpha testing.

Gnome also has a few nice things that I miss whenever I try kde or cosmic. It really depends on what you need from your DE.

I use it and like it. No strong opinion here, it just works well for me.

Well, I use it, I like it, and I can confidently say it's not for everyone

You gotta think the gnome way. Like, for example, I don't feel the absence of the minimize button because I adopted gnome's workspace-based flow

It doesn't get in my way, I don't even feel its existence most of the time. Gnome 3 sucked and definitely got in my way but beware that I am talking about gnome 4x here.

Context: I'm an i3 and plasma user depenending on my machine with one exception.

I find Gnome to be in the way 100% of the time, until I put the mist and konquer down and start using the touchscreen. Its a nice DE for touch oriented devices, but it really sucks to navigate with moist and keybread imho.

Edit: the one time I don't fix my spelling someone comes along and says something. I'm gonna make it worse 😈

What’s wrong with the MacOS UI? It works pretty well, and is pretty easy to pick up. Some of the biggest complaining I heard back in the day is that the close/min/max buttons were on the other side and someone who can’t handle that doesn’t have an opinion worth entertaining. Most of it was just a extreme refusal to learn out of spite which is more embarrassing for them than an argument.

GNOME is a great desktop environment. Ignore the people here who are whining; there's always a bunch in any DE-related Linux post, regardless of the DE being discussed.

But, just to add to the discussion, KDE is the only real alternative as far as feature parity is concerned (that isn't just a fork).

They all have pros and cons. If you like how it works out of the box, you've already won.

I ran Gnome for years with a collection of plugins and hidden gsettings to make it windows95-esque. Bottom bar, left apps, small bars, multi-screen, stacked windows, full time and date in the tray.

And every gnome update, a plugin or two would break, and I'd go find someone else's plugin that did the same thing, but wouldn't break.

Finally, I tried KDE on a new install, and it was exactly how I wanted it out, out of the box.

It's been a long time now. For all I know, Gnome supports all that up front in config.

but if it's how you want it, that's all you need.

The issue is that GNOME is incredibly opinionated and makes it very difficult, if not impossible to configure some basic functionality that every other DE has options for. GNOME will work for you if you want a DE that works exactly the way stock GNOME works, but as soon as you want to change anything, you run into a brick wall. Nearly any other Linux DE can be configured to look and work similar to GNOME, but GNOME can't be configured to work like anything other than the vanilla GNOME the devs insist you must use. It's the antithesis of Linux IMO (modularity, reconfigurability, config-file-driven) and acts more like a MacOS skin.

If Gnome has worked for you the past ten years then keep using it.

KDE Plasma

XFCE 😅

That is because it's new to gnome 49, debian and Ubuntu aren't bleeding edge to have them

I got exactly this notification on Arch last night

To be notified of things that they want to know about.

Whenever I start a game on my KDE desktop, the notifications get muted automatically. I have no idea why, because I really don't remember setting it up. Maybe it's a standard feature that was added at some point. It's honestly pretty great though.