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“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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[–] Zedstrian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 174 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (36 children)

He's a fascist dictator, not a communist one. And when the 'titans of industry' care more about their bottom line than democratic principles, that's a sign to rally against them, not frame one's argument with an echo of McCarthyism.

[–] ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.social 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Harris continues to demonstrate that she is not only was too incompetent for the job, but also 1/3 of the reason we have a fascist administration. The other 2/3 belong to Biden and the DNC for the curious. I don't think she's too uneducated to know the difference between communism and fascism, i belive she's intentionally conflating the two because at the end of the day, she's still a right wing pig.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So you don't blame the actual fascists in your mathematics?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you blame water for being wet, or a dog for licking its balls? Fasc gonna fasc, I'll reserve my criticism for the folks I expected to actively work against it.

[–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

The other side is also reserving their criticism for those people, so the net result is that the only people who aren't receiving hate are the fascists.

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago

Well. That tells me all I need to hear. The DNC had decided to lose. Again.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Misleading, editorialized title. Any worthwhile journalist wouldn't quote somebody on words they didn't literally say.

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 15 points 1 day ago

bad journalism for sure.. however, you can infer the meaning here. i don't think she'd separate 'tyrant' and 'communist' for distinction. still, hate how this shit passes as acceptable writing.

[–] MasterNerd@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

She a little confused but she got the spirit

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I mean so close, I do understand what she's trying to get across with things like Intel, yet absolutely dumb messaging.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kamala going back to american basics: all communist = bad --> all bad = communist.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Yeah, completely overloaded and missed used term at this point that doesn't reflect the realities of anything in today's world outside of antiquated boomer speak.

She needed to grow a spine and say fascist.

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[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Even when attacking Trump, Democrats can't resist taking swipes at leftists...

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You are not interpreting this correctly, and neither is TheHill / Independent / whatever.

Think about it step by step.

  1. Some time ago, America was hardcore opposed to the USSR and the Communist bloc. Americans like her grew up hearing comparisons with Communist dictators and how they did X, Y, and Z. The bogeyman many people grew up with was a communist dictator who hated free speech, co-opted the state and therefore personally controlled industry, cracked down on artistic expression...
  2. That's what we're dealing with now. Not from the perspective of a McCarthy Boogeyman; Kamala isn't saying he's a communist. But from the adult perspective where we're supposed to care about free speech, a private industry, liberal art... Trump is the thing people grew up hearing about.

Tldr; Kamala didn't say this. This never happened. Watch the interview and think about what she means. Journalism strikes again~

Edit: Here's a simpler example: "We went years hearing from the right about demonic liberals abusing kids. Well Trump is that—that's what we're dealing with now."

That isn't saying Trump is a demonic liberal. It means "the thing everyone hated is here in a different form"

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 day ago

“We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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Wow and Harris just airballs it. Jesus.

In point of fact, capitalism is demonstrably quite enamored with authoritarianism in more places than just the US.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Did she actually say the quote in the title? Or is that the editor's work? In context it seems like she was causing Trump a tyrant, as are communist dictators, but not a communist:

She was pressed on MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” about why she didn’t anticipate such action and responded that she believed “titans of industry would be guardrails for our democracy.”

“And one by one by one, they have been silent, they have been … feckless,” Harris said. “It’s not like they’re going to lose their yacht or their house in the Hamptons.”

“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

Maybe I'm being too charitable. But that's how I read it, perhaps because I don't want to believe that senior Democrats can't tell a communist from a fascist.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 day ago (21 children)
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[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

MAGA Communists continue to be vindicated

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Libs love losing and blue MAGA will eat all of this shit she's saying while advertising her crappy book up.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Oh my fucking god shut the fuck up Kamala.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

No need to compliment him by calling him a communist. He's a dictator who operates a system built around a cult of personality where he delegates authority to sycophants not based on ability to do the job well, but on shared ideology, capacity to serve within the cult of personality, and his personal liking of them, alongside an economic policy built around society serving capital which serves the cult of personality. English actually has a word for such a system but it's legally questionable to refer to the current regime using it at the moment.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

This feels similar to what Biden tried to do (which failed spectacularly, btw) when he tried to outflank Trump on the border from the right, the summer before the election.

Its not clear understands what she's doing here and is confusing the language of communism with that of authoritarianism. So she's saying Trump isn't capitalist enough? Like who is it she thinks this rhetoric is going to move? Who is this argument designed to work on?

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

She can't say fascist because fascism is the merger of corporate and state power which is what the US has been building since forever.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

TIL Harris doesn't know the difference between communism and facism.

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