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“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 hour ago

Ma'am, with the greatest possible respect, Trump is as much a communist as the Nazis were socialists.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Fucking hell did she really need to throw in the red scare bullshit?

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

So the headline is misleading at best but i still feel like the ambiguity raised by inserting a term like that was just piss poor form and just about par for the course on both journalism and the messaging clarity of the DNC.

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 2 points 24 minutes ago

Completely agree

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

These people don't even know what a communist is. They just have "red bad" drilled so far into their heads that it's right next to "woke" as a catch-all term for bad things.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

She'll say anything but criticizing Israel. That's why she lost.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

See fellows, if you still think Harris was a good candidate. This pretty much along with her support of Israel seals the deal.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah we definitely did a lot better by splitting on her so Trump could get in office a second time, possibly as the last President of the US. Israel's policy matters much more than what happens here at home, to me for sure.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yup, You couldn't pressure democrats or anything riiiiiiiiight. Trump is simply forcing Americans to feel a modicrum of the torture USA inflicts upon the world.

[–] FarrellPerks@feddit.uk 26 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

How the hell is Trump a communist? What is she smoking damn.

The support for capitalism over all else is expected, neoliberals do little else, but this level of delusion? Worrying.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

He did nationalise 10% of Intel. Without paying for it, even, if I understand correctly.

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 46 minutes ago

The is some argument to be made to compare him to Stalin with all the industrial policy, trade manipulation, attacks on civil liberties and rule of law, and purges of those disloyal to him. But he hasn't committed genocide in the US yet.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Americans use the word communism as pejorative without having even slightest idea what it actually means. In this case she is speaking language that majority of Americans will understand

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 2 points 2 hours ago

Americans understand the word "dictator" even if you don't put "communist" in front of it. This was a choice that doesn't make any sense. It only annoys the minority of people who understand what words mean.

Whatever fingers you want to point regarding Harris' (and Democrats') relationship with voters to the left of them, this is simply antagonizing. Politicians will tell enormous lies to court the right, but won't tell the truth to court the left.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Most Americans confuse "communist" with "Bolshevik".

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 48 minutes ago

they are better known than Marxists, though.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 44 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Propaganda against socialism and communism still going strong in the usa

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Never went away, never will.

The country is founded on personal gain, it's the foundation that it was bloodily built on from the very beginning. It would undermine everything that our current beneficiaries of this legacy stand for to even remotely embrace socialism.

The idea was to pump "rugged individualism" until there were no communities left, and then everyone who managed to shave off the most cash can fuck off to other countries or their own yachts in the ocean.

[–] EffortlessEffluvium@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 hours ago

Hell, half the KKK story on Jews is about stopping Communism

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 20 points 19 hours ago

Trump is exhibiting classic dictator behaviors. Dictatorships are not exclusively right or left. History is full of dictators who use "communism" or fascism as a base.

This is where people conflate and confuse things like the FL Cubans who didn't like Kamala because "she's a socialist/Communist and I came from a country with a bad leader like that!"

They can't distinguish a ruling style from the underlying governing structure.

A dictator is a dictator is a dictator.

And you can look at dictatorial regimes across the spectrum and it's the authoritarianism and the dictator that is the common thread.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 15 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy

Exactly what a neoliberal would say.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Really it’s the exact opposite. Capitalism is antithetical to democracy. How could it be otherwise when wealth and power is concentrated in the hands of the few.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 hours ago

She isn't wrong she just fails to mention that capitalism is parasitic. Cancer thrives. Diseases thrive. They thrive by destroying, consuming and exploiting.

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

She still doesn't get it. Capitalism inevitably leads to fascism. It's a core feature.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Capitalism leads to corporate monopolies leads to fascism.

[–] Ironfist79@lemmy.world 2 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

Yes. I really don't get it. Everybody has played monopoly but it seems like nobody has learned the lessons of the game.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Unregulated capitalism CAN lead to fascism.

It doesn’t have to.

Just like communism all around the world has similarly basically always led to fascism and dictatorship, but it doesn’t have to.

Humans are always the problem. Plans don’t meet humans well.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Fascism is a tool that capitalists use when capitalism is threatened by rising class consciousness. It’s not something that a society just “falls into.” Also, fascism is ideologically the opposite of communism. You can have a communist dictatorship, but you’re not going to find a fascist version.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 20 hours ago

Just like communism all around the world has similarly basically always led to fascism and dictatorshipv

It hasn't "led" to anything; Marxist-Leninism is explicitly authoritarian. That said, it's not fascism, that is not what that word means.

Unregulated capitalism CAN lead to fascism.

We're on our second run of capitalism leading to fascism across the Western world in the exact same way along the exact same fault lines.

Plans don’t meet humans well.

An economic system isn't a plan; it's the context within which economic activity (including said plans) take place.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

hilarious to hear Americans use terms like Socialist, Communist, Fascist even at the levels of supposedly highly educated and clearly they have no idea what they are talking about.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Fascist

weeeeelllllll.... If you're in a place where you could throw a rock and hit one, maybe? /s BTW

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Harris is certainly well educated enough to know that Trump is not a communist; presumably these dipshit comments are for right-wingers, because she's trying to appeal to them again.

Goddamned neoliberals

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

They literally exist just to kill leftism in the united states now. No other benefits offered

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A fascist dictator, not a communist dictator.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago

Not a huge difference when it comes to the communism most people are familiar with. Look at the Soviet Union and tell me Corporate and State power wasn't merged.

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