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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Awful shit aside, I thought people generally believed that you don't go to heaven if you commit suicide?

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's a primarily a Catholic thing. The reasoning is that for every sin you commit, you must ask forgiveness (confession). By committing suicide, you have committed a sin but cannot ask for forgiveness and are thus condemned.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I never understood why you couldn't ask posthumously

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

It's almost as if it's a bunch of nonsense

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Most Protestants also regard suicide as a grievous sin. Some of the more liberal Protestants accept, with some hemming and hawing that assisted suicide might not send you straight to Hell. As for the fundies, I don't believe there's a consistent consensus view.

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[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know Catholics definitely believe that, but I can't say I remember hearing the protestant sects say anything about it.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was raised Baptist and suicide = hell is definitely a thing. Some sort of catch about being unable to ask for forgiveness or something but it's definitely seen as a mortal sin.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Basically for Protestants in particular you have to have suicide be a hellworthy offense. Because if the only single thing you need to do to get into heaven is to accept Jesus as your lord and savior, requiring nothing else and wiping away any past wrongs, then there is no incentive not to just immediately kill yourself afterwards and go straight to heaven. It would quickly devolve into a death cult. Don't want that cuz you can't grift them all out of money if they kill themselves.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

True story... saw a documentary about it starting Keanu Reeves

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A friendly reminder that she was a Prager U staff.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago

PragerU and discovery institute are ground zero for religious brain rot & bootlicking lessons

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[–] Idreamofcheesy@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Kind of a click bait-y title. They claim there is no afterlife besides heaven, Hitler is dead, therefore Hitler went to heaven. In their mythology, hell doesn't exist.

They're also a raging antisemite who thinks the Nazis did nothing wrong and fascism is the only way to save America. So in a roundabout way the title isn't that wrong.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 27 points 2 days ago

Kind of a clock bait-y title. They claim there is no afterlife besides heaven, Hitler is dead, therefore Hitler went to heaven. In their mythology, hell doesn’t exist.

Oh, that's actually not a terrible idea if you believe in an absolutely good deity. No matter how much pain and suffering you cause during a finite time you are alive, it can't possibly justify being tortured in hell for eternity. You wouldn't go around saying Hitler went to heaven, but I can see them being put on a spot and having to concede this unpopular point.

They’re also a raging antisemite who thinks the Nazis did nothing wrong and fascism is the only way to save America. So I’m a roundabout way the title isn’t that wrong.

Oh. Oh no.

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

They’re just trying to make Trump feel better since he’s been wondering lately if he’ll get into heaven.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Pope Francis went on the record saying he hoped Hell is empty. Torturing even the worst person for all eternity is overkill in my opinion, maybe after 500, 5000, 5 million years of celestial reeducation, if he really put the effort in, Hitler's soul could be free. He's only human and given the absolute worst circumstances and decisions I believe any of us could end up fucking up as bad as him.

FWIW I dont really believe in an afterlife but I do want to believe in universal redemption, as difficult as that can be sometimes.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FWIW I dont really believe in an afterlife but I do want to believe in universal redemption, as difficult as that can be sometimes.

I'd like to believe in pie in the sky too, but I don't. The only justice in this world is what we make, and it's a rare thing when that happens.

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

True that, Justice is sacred but only when we respect her enough that she remains in this world. As Rome was falling, Justice was the last of the great virtues to leave.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Believe it or not there were people that have done things just as bad as Hitler that have been genocides the world round and for centuries. Hitler wouldn't be the only one in that circumstance. But in my mind fuck them all they all deserve an eternity in hell if there were such a thing. I'm hoping there's nothing after this life that way we all just disappear and dissipate and life is what it is and how we lived it is how we lived it.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depends, would the worst person torture humanity for all eternity, and never change their mind?

[–] Asidonhopo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think measured against an infinite time even the slowest person would come around. Life is short and nobody is absolutely, perfectly evil, maybe colossally so, more than enough to fill 100 years of a spiteful and bitter life but always in a finite way.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

If killing six million people doesn’t send you to hell, nothing will.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's well over 6 million, that's just Jewish people.

[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

17 million civilians systematically killed, let alone the military casualties, civilian collateral damage, and starting WWII in the first place.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago

He was just lucky there was no right wing podcast bro among them

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, wanking does.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

One of the most chilling accounts of the holocaust, is a person describing being ushered on a train, being told, they are being relocated and they will have a hot meal and clothes and blankets when they arrive. The approach a huge hill, with a big line, the guards gleefully telling them they will get hot meals and everything else as soon as they get in, this guard of course was playing a cruel joke. His mind destroyed by the depravity of the Nazis.

Then the victim describes topping the hill to see mass graves and they arrive at a station where a Nazi looks in their mouth to see if they have any gold and silver teeth, and proceeds to yank them out before they get into the camp. That is Adolf Hitler. There is a reason people refer to him as the most evil person. Sure others killed more indirectly, but Hitler killed millions systematically and with intention. Pure hatred and pure depravity and pure existential nihilism.

Other thing these far right psychos were doing, human experimentation, vivisection, (operating on people while they are alive) to do medical experiments. Freezing people to death to see how long it would take frost bite to kill them. Mind control and brainwashing experiments. Testing drugs on them. One of the guys who was operating on living prisoners was named Joseph Mangdeleve. After the war he was sent to the U.S to work with the CIA and eventually ended up in a psychiatric hospital in Canada where he ended up operating on live human test subjects once again. All of this within full knowledge of the entire U.S, U.K, and Canadian government.

When you realize the full history of what the U.S and other right wing governments have been up to, Epstein seems fairly tame in comparison. Epstein is nowhere near the worse person the U.S protected and essentially made into a spy with diplomatic immunity.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

When you refer to Joseph Mangdeleve, are you confusing Josef Mengelev (Nazi doctor, escaped to Argentina, drowned at the beach in 1979) with Ewen Cameron, Scottish doctor involved in MK ULTRA in Canada and the US for the CIA, testing LSD on mental patients?

Cameron wasn't associated with the nazi party, although his experiments were probably inspired by Nazi work including Mengelev, who did do lots of experiments on concerntration camp victims, especially twins.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

They're also confusing the nazi human experiments with the Japanese unit 731.

Also are they saying that Hitler literally ushered Jews onto trains and escorted them to the death camps?

Like. He's the most evil person in human history but I don't think he was that hands on.

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago

ANYONE who Opposes Hitler is a TERRORIST!

-Our Government LITERALLY Yesterday!

Proof? Someone convince this guy to record a video for us in heaven

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe God wanted to attend to that one personally.

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