There is no goddamn problem! Fuck sake I should not have to choose fascist asshole or shifty semi fascist.
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America has real problems! Healthcare, food, jobs, affordability. Talking about trans athlete's possible competitive advantages is such a misalignment of our priorities.
Yeah, but shitlibs won't talk about those things because they want to keep the corporate bribe money flowing.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds. There is no such thing as values on the liberal wing of politics, just as there are no values on the MAGA wing. As soon as capital is involved, they will drop anything they stood for.
I'd be more concerned about the group responsible for more than 50% of violent crimes, but I guess we're allowed to be scared of people playing sports too.
Absolutely painful to watch progressives here already trying to lose 2026.
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This shouldn’t be an issue. Both sides should stop trying to mandate this. There should be men’s sports, women’s sports and co-ed sports, even at the pro level. Give athletes the freedom of choice and let them sort themselves.
Having 3 buckets, one third of which any one person is banned from participating in over arbitrary generic markers, doesn't really sound like "freedom of choice".
Can somebody explain to me why we shouldn’t have a trans league or allow them to play with the opposite gender? There’s a reason we have men’s and women’s leagues. Trans women can have a big advantage over many cis women. What am I missing here?
Guess who else has an advantage over many other cis women? Cis women with "superior" genetics. We don't bar them. In fact, finding them seems to be one of the main drives of sports.
Usain Bolt has such a massive genetic advantage over everyone else and no one is calling for him to be banned from running, or to be forced in to his own league. Same with Michael Phelps. Let's not even get started on tall people in basket ball.
A person's sex is just more genetics.
Well, there is Imane Khelif. There was a push to bar her from boxing. But that kind of thing happens very rarely.
The push to ban her was because of a conspiracy theory that she wasn't actually born female, wasn't it? I think that puts her in to the "ban because she's trans" category, rather than the "ban her for superior genetics" category. Ie, without the current "trans sports panic" no one would have even considered banning her.
I think the reason they were accusing her of being trans was just because she's naturally a good boxer.
The difference is HRT could be considered as gaming the system whilst being born that way is luck of the draw.
Michael Phelps has gentics made for swimming that allow him to perform multiple strokes to perfection. He's considered a lucky man. If there was a pill one could take to attain such superhuman abilities. It would be considered doping, and rightfully so.
When trans women go on GAHT/HRT, our bodies change a lot. I've lost considerable muscle mass and strength versus just over a year ago (it was very noticeable in the garden this year, oof). The lack of testosterone also changes your mental state and tones down the stereotypical male competitive nature. You literally become softer.
My personal opinion is that if you're on hormones for at least a few years, you've shown that you clearly want to play and shouldn't be disqualified, and at the very least be given a chance to participate. As far as I'm concerned, this entire thing is politically-charged and is about as interesting as acetaminophen and vaccines causing autism.
What you don't hear is trans men wanting to compete in men's sports. They need to have a voice too, as rare as it might be.
The first is that trans women do not have a big advantage over cis women. They have, at best, a very slight advantage, depending on their time on HRT and age.
The second is that there isn't a lot of trans people. Trans people make up around 2-3% of the population, so they would have around 1/30th of the number of teammates in their school. That would be difficult to make a full team around. And because they're segregated out, they would need to find other teams to play against, as well.
The third thing you're missing is that you really only care about trans women in this debate. Do you care if trans men compete against cis men? They compete at very similar levels, too, and if you think being born as a woman is a disadvantage, then why do they do just as well after transitioning?
And the last thing is that we have gendered leagues due to a sexist history behind sports. Women weren't allowed to compete in a variety of sports for a long time. Women's leagues were initially created for the same reason black leagues were created. We have kept them because they are a really lazy way to determine what category of play you are in, as though they act similar to weight classes in wrestling. But athletes within the same sex can compete at completely different abilities for different reasons. Taller players can have a much bigger advantage against shorter players in a ton of sports, so why don't we use height as a determiner of which league you play in instead?
Taller players can have a much bigger advantage against shorter players in a ton of sports
Can you give some examples of these sports?
only considered trans women because generally in sports you’re trying to be stronger and larger. Trans men can do that and have the disadvantage.
I get what you’re saying about separate leagues but the strongest and tallest men would have an advantage over the strongest and tallest women, skill aside.
Maybe just make a mixed league that everybody is cool with playing in and keep separate leagues too.
No, I get it. But, you're using what you feel is true versus what is true. The "advantage" you're talking about isn't significant among any study, ranging from a 7% advantage in some athletic categories to a 13% disadvantage in others.
Competitive sporting associations have rules and regulations for trans athletes competing in sex-segregated leagues, and they typically involve around two years on HRT and I'm not sure if you're aware of the side effects of starting HRT, but athletes typically see substantial muscle loss. These competitive organizations do not see trans athletes excel when following these rules. And that is because trans athletes aren't superior to cis athletes.
The strongest and tallest man probably has some advantages in some sports over the tallest and strongest woman, but you need to compare the strongest and tallest trans man to the man and trans woman to woman because those comparisons are surprisingly more in favor of the cis athlete than you would probably like for a whole host of reasons.
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Not enough trans anthletes to warrant their own league. Who would even watch it?
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ITT: "I haven't read the article but I'm going to sit on a high horse and claim I'm the enlightened one anyway!!!!1"
Just get rid of all sports in educational institutions and make them all private clubs. Problem solved
You know, they used to not separate sports by gender, until the ladies started beating the men. Then all of a sudden, nah we gotta split em up. So, even if their argument had any kind of validity, it still doesn't.
Right now, women are allowed to compete with men in the NBA, NFL, and MLB.
We never see them participating because they physically cannot compete with the males.
According to whom? The Heraean Games were held in conjunction with the ancient Greek Olympics. Are you saying that they were designed to spare men's feelings, or are you saying that the tradition of sparing men's feelings was already in place in the ancient world?