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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/49220518

They may be fictional characters, but they are voiced by real people, the court says.

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 74 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I can't speak to Korean law, but this seems like a real stupid take. Actors are different from their characters. You can't damage a character because they aren't real.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In a lot of places you can be sued for defaming a company brand, though. This seems similar to that.

You can be sued for defamation regardless of the target, as long as you damaged their reputation with false statements. It's a lot easier to prove damages against a company than a regular person though.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

This is in line with korean anti-harassment laws. Seems draconian to us but is entirely consistent with what koreans have been living with for over a decade now.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In July 2024, the defendant targeted Plave in a series of posts - some containing profanity. Among them were comments that the people behind the avatars "could be ugly in real life" and gave off a "typical Korean man vibe", Korea Times reported.

Unless the guy said much worse things that weren't reported, it seems like South Korean defamation laws are draconian.

[–] nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 5 points 1 month ago

He's getting in the way of these people making money, so I can see useful idiots chomping at the bit to punish him.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So if they are voiced by AI or silent, we can defamate their picture as much as we want?

[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 month ago

For now, for now.

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago

They look stupid, this is just corpo music for Koreans no wonder the courts protected them.

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 1 month ago

I agree that the comments in question seem like nothing to count as defamation, but actual defamation of virtual bands should count as defamation IMO. They're as fictional as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillaz is—every character is one-to-one to their real-life voice actors. Though I guess in that case you might be defaming the voice actor behind the character instead.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago

As long as someone makes money off of it, you can get sued.

[–] nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 4 points 1 month ago

Anything that gets in the way of scumbags making money.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Darth Vader sucks egg salad through a hose to eat

Sounds like they represent real people is the reason

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

K-poop sounds like darth Vader sucking shit-salad through a garden hose

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Among them were comments that the people behind the avatars "could be ugly in real life" and gave off a "typical Korean man vibe", Korea Times reported.

I wish they'd reprint some of the actually "harmful" comments, because that kind of thing is just shitty online discourse. These examples are also pretty obviously targeted at the anons behind the group, not the avatars, but, again, it's no different from saying "I bet the person behind I Cast Fist is a fat and ugly man" - that's not defamation

But the court rejected the argument, saying that if an avatar was widely recognised to represent someone real, then attacks on the avatar also extended to the real person.

No, it does not. That's a terrible precedent to make. A character is not the person behind it, a character can live on without the original person behind it and can be interpreted by a different person.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

anyone know what the claim is to even count as defamation?. That to me seems like what should be the crux.

IE if the claim was "X's voice clearly shows he's dying of cancer." I could see that as defamation. On the other hand "X is summoning demons" that clearly would be fan-fiction.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure about Korean laws specifically, but they're usually has to be actual damage to win a defamation case. If accusations of summoning demons caused them to lose business, it would count.