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[–] PixelProf@lemmy.ca 43 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I 100% agree for the meme, but just warning that this isn't really a strong argument. I'm going to straw man here, but: "I'm against the Protect the Children Act", "You're literally saying you're against protecting children." "No, I just disagree that the Act is actually about protecting children and is more about government surveillance and corporate control." In their heads, they've already prepared the argument.

Basically, by them seeing it as a unified organization that stands for more than just being opposed to fascism, they see it as a crafted doublethink instead of realizing they are the victims of a different doublethink, to butcher the use of the term. It's hard to cut through that.

[–] Cruel@programming.dev 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Most people know better. It's completely bad faith arguing.

Being against the Patriot Act does not mean you're not a patriot. Being against Black Lives Matter does not mean you think black lives don't matter. Same can be said about Antifa's actions; plenty of reasons to oppose them that do not involve supporting facism.

Also, there's the common fallacy of composition / division. Being against the Civil Rights Act doesn't mean you support segregation. Being against the Big Beautiful Bill does not mean you're against child tax credits.

College educated people know better, but still leverage dishonesty for political points. It's tiring.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Being against Black Lives Matter does not mean you think black lives don't matter.

Are you sure about that?

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why would you be for using the death of a young kid for personal gain? That would be one reason to be against the organisation, while not being against equal rights and treatment for black people.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a difference between the movement and the organization going by the same name.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

No one specified which it was though, did they? And in any case, it was an example. You present the world as black and white, even though thats never been the case. Like Churchill, big hero against the nazis. But if you were Indian, he saw you the same way Hitler saw Jewish people. Which is a big yikes.

This is the reality of human beings. We are all complicated as fuck.

[–] Cruel@programming.dev 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely. There are reasons to be against BLM while still believing that black lives matter. Examples:

  1. It's primarily an anti-police movement. Many people believe more police will help save black lives.

  2. They made zero effort to reduce gang-related homicides which accounts for the majority of black homicides. So their sincere value for black life is questionable.

  3. They engage in lots of riots and non-peaceful methods of protesting, many of which destroy black neighborhoods.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
  1. It's primarily an anti-police movement. Many people believe more police will help save black lives.
  1. They made zero effort to reduce gang-related homicides which accounts for the majority of black homicides. So their sincere value for black life is questionable.

Increasing the police presence in black neighborhoods does not help save black lives, and the communities that are affected the most by gang-related homicides know this intuitively because we have increased police presence and budgets in those neighborhoods as a matter of routine and it has made their lives worse, not better.

  1. They engage in lots of riots and non-peaceful methods of protesting, many of which destroy black neighborhoods.

"A riot is the language of the unheard." - Martin Luther King Jr.

The majority of BLM protests were peaceful, and the minority that did turn violent were overblown by a media ecosystem biased against them, and do not discredit the aims and methods of the movement.

There is some legitimate criticism to be made of the non-profit organization going by the same name as the movement, but if you care about black lives then the BLM protest movement deserves your support.

Though you might sincerely believe that black lives matter, you clearly seem to think the opinions of those personally affected by police and gang-related violence (not all that different, really) don't.

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[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago

Extremely blessed Lemmy moment of opening the comments to find the hot one is what you opened the comments to post yourself

[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's amazing, the amount of bullshit people say in order to deny the obvious.

Anti antifascist = fascist

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 days ago

I mean, that's like how Elon wants to call his new party, the America party. And most likely people who are registered to vote for the America party would be called Americans. And so then if you're against them what, you're against America? You hate all Americans?

Like yes, in reality the people who are against antifa are fascists. But that can't be determined from the name of it! The government has played this trick countless times, naming laws and bills the opposite of what they're really supposed to do. Like someone introduces a bill called the " children's online privacy protection" act, but really it's just some mass surveillance garbage and has nothing to do with protecting children. And then if you oppose the act, and someone says " oh so you don't want children to be safe online?!1!1!1" like, we all know that's a really horrible argument. Things can be named whatever they want to be named even if it has no underlying relation to the reality of what they stand for.

Again, at this particular moment in this particular situation, antifa still does really stand against fascism, and the government that hates antifa really does stand for fascism. So we happened to get lucky that the names line up with the reality underneath in this case, but that doesn't mean that that's a good line of reasoning in general.

[–] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 4 points 5 days ago

Not even like it's a hard algebraic equation right? - either that person is lying or really need to save those braincells for breathing

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[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 5 days ago

If those kids could read, they'd be very upset

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago

US constitution and army are anti-fascist by definition.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago

I agree with the message but the argument is weak, plus drawing Trump with a neck?

[–] Trex202@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Its all about branding

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 7 points 5 days ago

I thought it was all about Brandon.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Team Scheisse FA

deepl translation:

t's annoying to explain

Because it's actually quite simple

So listen carefully

Because I'll only say it once

If you're anti-antifa

you're fa

You can say what you want

But that's the truth

And I wish

I didn't have to constantly be against something

But how is that supposed to work with all these goddamn

Nazi pigs?

And if it annoys you to hear that, it's not my problem

It's your problem

It's not hard to understand

I could take care of beautiful things

We could take care of beautiful things

Instead, we have to take care of this scum

If you're anti-antifa

you're fa

You can say what you want

But that's the truth

And I wish

I didn't have to be against something all the time

But how is that supposed to work

With all the goddamn Nazi pigs?

How?

How?

How is that supposed to work, please?

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 5 days ago

I went to a parade earlier that was celebrating anti fascism. They even had some spitfires flying over.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

what if your anti-anti-anti-antifascist.

[–] NichEherVielleicht@feddit.org 4 points 4 days ago

Muskmode enabled!

[–] canajac@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Mussolini in desguise.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 days ago

Trump fanatics and MAGA dipshits won't see the correlation.

They think that antifa is some group of people doing things. Organized and with a plan or something. It's not.

Antifa is about as organized as anonymous. Which is to say, it's not organized at all. There's only an anonymous/antifa action taken when enough of the people that believe in either concept rally around a single thought. When it hits critical mass, shit happens. Until then, it's just a scattered group of randoms that don't know eachother, and happen to share a specific viewpoint.

Neither "group" has meetings or structure, or a plan for anything.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Here is my post showing ANTIFA members.

https://vger.to/lemmy.ca/comment/19049023

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well obviously. The fact that antifa would expose fascism merely by donning the name is the point of the whole damn thing.

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