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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Wishing the DPRK was in charge of socialist foreign policy rn

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[–] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Breht goes THERMONUCLEAR on the latest episode of Rev Left: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/palestine-on-fire . This is a must-listen!

Breht if you're a lurker here, sankara-salute to you

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[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Love how my local news framed pro-Palestine protests as "occurring at a time when Hamas is massacring Jews at a level not seen since the Holocaust".

Anyway, so we've seen the propaganda, bloodlust, and hysteria over Ukraine. We're seeing the propaganda, bloodlust, and hysteria over Pissrael.

Now imagine how bad it's gonna be when the war with China begins.

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[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Even when they’re ostensibly pro-Palestine, western commentators can’t help but fall into the same trop a when talking about Hamas. Alice Trashfuture out of nowhere said “Hamas is going to go into these settlements and kill incriminately and the Israeli right get to say we’re going to bulldoze Gaza into the sea, like they always have been”. On the surface indicting Israel, but playing into the fucking both-sides narrative. Exhausting

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The more people cry about the dead settlers, the more dead settlers I want

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (12 children)

is gone for 10 hours

aight hows it going

856 new comments

what the fuck

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago

one of my sources from the Israel villages near Gaza has reported to me that Mrs. Hamas and Principal Hezbollah were in the closet making babies and he saw one of the babies and the baby looked at him

[–] Harajukum@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ah I remember the days of 700 comments in a week era? truly hexbears Bakhmut (what do i mean by this )

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (5 children)

US reportedly allows Israel to confront any threat anywhere

According to the report, the US gave Israel the "green light to confront any threat on any front and in any geography." [...] The United States has allowed Israel to attack any target anywhere if it determines it poses a threat, Al-Arabiya reported on Friday, citing Israeli sources.

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is so much worse than 9/12, they don’t even have to bother tacking bullshit justifications to the end. Open calls for genocide on MSM.

Liberals are fascists.

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[–] Vode_An@lemmy.ml 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

From an article that was linked here earlier

War becomes a test of political economy, it is the great revealer. The GDP of Russia and Belarus represents 3.3% of Western GDP (the US, Anglosphere, Europe, Japan, South Korea), practically nothing. One can ask oneself how this insignificant GDP can cope and continue to produce missiles. The reason is that GDP is a fictional measure of production. If we take away from the American GDP half of its overbilled health spending, then the "wealth produced" by the activity of its lawyers, by the most filled prisons in the world, then by an entire economy of ill-defined services, including the "production" of its 15 to 20 thousand economists with an average salary of 120,000 dollars, we realize that an important part of this GDP is water vapor. War brings us back to the real economy, it allows us to understand what the real wealth of nations is, the capacity for production, and therefore the capacity for war.

Econ losers btfo

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago

United Nations: Prior to evacuation order by Israeli authorities, over 400,000 Palestinians in Gaza had been internally displaced and were sheltered & protected by UN

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country… The four Great Powers are committed to Zionism. And Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of the 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit this ancient land.

  • Lord Arthur Balfour, 1919

Been reading about the British involvement in setting up the current situation… jfc they were evil. They deserve at least as much blame as the US. They knew full well what they were doing and the mess they were creating and did not care.

Fun fact about Lord Balfour… his government authored the 1905 Aliens Act, which was intended primarily to keep out Jews escaping pogroms in Russia at the time. Say, you don’t suppose this fellow didn’t have some deep love of the Jewish people, and instead had more nefarious reasons for supporting Zionism (like getting more Jews out of the UK)??? 🤔🤔🤔

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Flood from Gaza - Israel's elites and public have been dealt the biggest blow to their morale in 50 years.

Now we know why Mohammad Deif, the leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, disappeared from public view after the 'Sword of Jerusalem' campaign nearly two years ago. He was making plans and preparations for a counterstrike against Israel. On Saturday, he emerged, alongside Hamas spokesman 'Abu-Obaida,' to announce it.

They declared the start of 'Operation al-Aqsa Flood,' describing it as a battle to end the longest occupation on the planet. Thousands of rockets were launched within a matter of minutes, confounding Israel's much-hyped air defense systems, while Palestinian resistance fighters broke out of the besieged territory to storm Israeli settlements in the Gaza Envelope.

The images of the operation posted on social media were astonishing: Merkava tanks on fire; their Israeli occupation soldiers being dragged out and pleading for mercy; Israeli settlers fleeing in panic, their appeals for help going unheeded. At this writing, more than 100 Israelis (now well over 700) had been reported killed, thousands injured, and scores captured to be used as bargaining chips for the release of Palestinian prisoners held by Tel Aviv.

The impact on the morale of Israel's elites and public has been enormous. The country's political, security, and military establishments have been dealt their biggest blow in 50 years, since the October 1973 war. When an army ranked as the world's fourth most powerful cannot prevent or react to the targeting of supposedly secure settlers in Israel 'proper,' that is a sign of serious decline.

Regardless of how events unfold in the days and weeks to come, the resistance has achieved a huge victory. This is a long war. Israel may unleash death and destruction on a gigantic scale, but it will not emerge unscathed itself. And if it escalates into a regional war on multiple fronts, the writing will be clearly on the wall.

The thought, planning, and management that went into this operation match anything taught at the world's top military academies. When videos of fighters training for it were posted on social media, they were ridiculed by Israel and its ‘normalized’ Arab allies. So much for all those Sandhurst and West Point graduates. Mohammad Deif never claimed any military title, but he deserves the rank of 'general' far more than any of the heavily medalled and overweight commanders of Arab armies who do little more than stage parades and earn corrupt commissions on arms deals.

Remember the date — 7 October. It may mark a historic turning point in the Arab world, from a period of submission, surrender, normalization, and delusions about the enemy as protector, to one of dignity and liberation: in this case, the total liberation of Palestine.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared a state of war, threatened a devastating response, and called up his army's reservists. But what can he do that he has not already done? Kill hundreds more innocent civilians in Gaza? It would not be the first time. But this time, it could trigger a devastating reaction that reaches as far as Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Jerusalem.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad joined Hamas in this battle, as did all the armed resistance wings of the major Palestinian factions. The resistance brigades in the West Bank - in Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarem, and potentially Hebron - have been inspired and, with their solid base of popular support, have begun to join the fight. And it cannot be ruled out that components of the axis of resistance in Lebanon and Syria, and even Yemen and Iraq, will do so too in the foreseeable future, if not sooner.

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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (4 children)

So if this is true it’s about to pop off big time right?

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

New type of guy: angry that lately people are misinterpreting his political stance as anticolonial when he actually just really hates electronica music.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I have a heart-felt lathe wish. Biden is about to give a speech about Israel. Lathe operators - please have him drop dead of old age in the middle of it. Thank you. Inshallah.

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He hasn't started his speech yet. Right now it's 5:40 PM GMT.

WATCH LIVE | Biden addresses conflict between Israel and Hamas - YouTube

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Holy fuck. I haven't sat down and watched a Biden speech in - I dunno - at least six months. He looks like shit. He lookks and sounds like he's 120 years old.

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So many US politicians are gung-ho about bombing Iran over all of this. They truly are all holden-bloodfeast

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Ground operation in Gaza delayed several days due to weather - New York Times

Israel's ground operation in the Gaza Strip was supposed to begin this weekend, but it was postponed "by several days" due to cloudy weather that would make it difficult for Israeli pilots and drone operators to support ground forces from the air, the NYT reported, citing the IDF.

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[–] cctaacc@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago

Got banned from a bunch of reddits, advocating for genocide and the death of Arabs is ok. Telling those advocates that they should kill themselves or that I will do it for them is however uncivil and a ban-able offense.

Strap me to a missile and fire me at the US.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

"America Worshippers" and "NATO leftists" are two terms that really get Western "leftists" and their EU lapdogs mad. Got a shit ton of angry DM's saying that tell me how not angry they are in the form of 8-10 paragraph messages. One of them even threatened to come to where I live. I told them it was cool as long as they were okay with my rifle in their face.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Another journalist friend in Gaza says most Palestinians don’t want to flee because they don’t want a repeat of 1948 Nakba, they would rather die in their homes. All displaced people have nowhere to go but into the streets, waiting to be killed

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Anyone remember that 95 year old who re-enlisted in the IDF? Pitched as a heartwarming story. Well...

IOF celebrate settler who took part in 1948 Deir Yassin massacre

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/iof-celebrate-settler-who-took-part-in-1948-deir-yassin-mass

A member of Lehi (who at one point tried to ally with Nazi Germany), he is listed on the wiki page about the massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

Here he is recounting it. Like, bruh, what?

https://twitter.com/jennineak/status/1712033281636814920

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Iranian Foreign Minister: I congratulate the Palestinian people on Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, which is a response to Netanyahu’s war crimes

Iranian Foreign Minister: We are here to confirm the Islamic peoples and governments’ rejection of the continuation of war crimes against the Palestinians

Iranian Foreign Minister: The bombing of Gaza, displacement, and cutting off water are considered a war crime committed by the Zionist entity

Iranian Foreign Minister: I will hold talks with Lebanese officials regarding the situation in Gaza

Iranian Foreign Minister: With the continuation of war crimes against the Palestinians, all possibilities against the Zionist Regime, including new fronts, are possible in the region

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Israeli Jets are conducting Airstrikes against the Aleppo Airport, in Northern Syria.

https://streamable.com/b3eved

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I've discovered a new way to argue with "both sides" reddit-logo users who are clearly lying about "condemning Israeli violence against civilians."

https://redditcommentsearch.com/

Search their comment history for comments condemning Israeli violence not in the context of them trying to "both sides" the issue when commenting about Palestinian violence so as to appear "unbiased". Then watch them get really mad when you ask them to provide a comment as an example because you can't seem to find one.

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[–] JohnBrownsBussy2@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I appreciate that the mods at r/blackwolffeed have embraced a bit of TC69 thought and are purging zionist comments.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

let's see how fast we can speedrun through all the previous atrocity propaganda claims

"First, Hamas gunned down peaceful civilians at the Rave For Peace Where All Of Us Are Innocent Poor Little Meow Meows (the only place in the whole of Israel to do this was extremely close to the Gaza fence, everywhere else was booked). Hamas ripped Israeli babies out of incubators and killed them. They then took their mobile incinerators out of Gaza and brought them to Israeli villages to try and hide their atrocities. Hamas then targeted an Israeli destroyer boat and shot at it in the gulf. They fired a missile at a packed train station, then an Israeli theater building, fired missiles at schools that definitely didn't contain soldiers, left mines and bombs on playgrounds, lined up a bunch of stolen tanks in front of an Israeli holding two bags in a public square and ran him over, and then, for good measure, found a random Uyghur and killed him. What despicable terrorists."

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[–] edge@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

This “40 beheaded babies” lie is really sick and twisted.

And now we have Biden saying

I never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children

even though he saw no such pictures. He just gave so much “credibility” to this horrid disgusting lie.

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[–] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

One funny wrinkle to recent events in Isreal that I haven't seen mentionied much is that back at the G20 meeting the India-Middle-Europe Economic Corridor (IMEC), meant to counter China's BRI, was inaugurated. The idea being to facilitate the constructing of things like rail networks and hydrogen pipelines. This initiative finds its origins in the I2U2 group, consisting of India, Isreal, UAE and the US. Notably, Israel proposed the idea of increased interconnectivity through rail.

The inevitable reliance on risk-averse private companies makes the financing of such projects hard for the West under normal circumstances. But with Isreal's genocidal policies flaring up tensions in the whole region, it seems dead in the water.

This whole thing is such a massive strategic failure for the US. They wanted to pivot to East Asia, pull back from West Asia, improve relations in Africa, focus on containing China. But instead they are overextending themselves with Ukraine and Isreal. Their focus completely opposite of where they wanted it it be.

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Any other westerners feel that things have changed in less than 72 hours? Like, we are seeing how the propaganda machine works in real time. On Saturday, there were plenty of people giving support to Palestine or even spouting “both sides” opinions that even though they sucked, at least provided some superficial acknowledgement of Palestinian suffering. But now, early Tuesday morning, it feels like anything other than full-throated and uncritical support for the Israeli state is met with extreme hostility.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Israeli warning to Hezbollah:

"IDF will destroy Damascus, target Syrian President Assad if Hezbollah joins war; US warships will support Israel in war."

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Hezbollah has released a statement/speech to the effect of: we are in communications with Palestinian resistance groups, various threats and warnings are being made to us from international actors and we do not care, American warships do not scare us, we will intervene when the time is right, there is a plan that we are involved in.

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