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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff says that "North Korea is preparing for the possibility of launching a surprise attack on South Korea using the same tactics as Hamas' attack on Israel"

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[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Ya Allah, it looks like Hezbollah and by extension Lebanon have officially joined the war. My cousin who works in Tyre/Sour sent us a pic in the family group chat of a massive Hezbollah convoy outside of the city and some dudes from Hezbollah started sending messages on WhatsApp telling people to leave to Beirut if possible. Genuinely shaking and tearing up as I'm writing this, may Allah keep the resistance safe and grant them victory.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (12 children)

now I have an actual good reason to hate justin bieber

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (4 children)

⚡️🇪🇬❗️ The Egyptian Foreign Minister publishes an extremely important statement.

All Aid organizations, charities, and countries who are willing to send their aid to Gaza, are therefore ordered to deliver it to Al-Arish International Airport.

Al-Arish is 75kms away from Gaza.

The Aid WILL go through, regardless what Israel states, their threats of bombing the aid convoys and the medics and the doctors will fall on deaf ears.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The Democrat politicians publicly issuing statements of support for the Israeli state are the same people who put thousands of troops in my city the day the verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial was announced. If the murderer of George Floyd had been allowed to go free they would have set the US military on us had we dared to object. It's not far away at all.

The police that suppressed the uprisings in the US in 2020 used tactics developed in coordination with Israeli security forces, using equipment that was tested against Palestinians. US and Israeli security and intelligence services have long had a close relationship, sharing tactics, developing new weapons and equipment, and providing training for each others forces.

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Someone please explain how the settlers holding a music festival on stolen land right next to the giant ghetto their government routinely attempts to liquidate are "innocent civilians".

Swap "Israeli-Palestinian" with "European-Native American" and it suddenly becomes incredibly obvious to many more people what's wrong in this situation. It's convenient to only pay lip service to opposing colonialism in situations where the colonisation is functionally complete and your control will never be threatened.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

All the experts on the Ukraine conflict have now become Middle East experts.

Influencers. They go with whatever's the hottest "content".

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago

Turns out that you don't have to make excuses for the terror if the terror didn't actually happen

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago

Hezbollah message to Israel: https://streamable.com/69ew1k

"Your temporary entity is weaker than spider's web. You will disappear, and Palestine will remain Arab and proud of her people. The resistance throughout the battle lurks where you do not notice."

[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (8 children)

"South Africans are taking to the streets in support of Palestinians"

It's a 2 minute video, pretty good. The part about the guy that spent 10 years imprisoned on Robben Island for fighting against apartheid as a young man made me a bit emotional.

https://nitter.net/ajplus/status/1712551657312034837

https://twitter.com/ajplus/status/1712551657312034837

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Given Iran's support of Palestine along with Syria, DPRK and others. I think now is a very good moment to speak to any soft-left friends that are still supporting Palestine and explain to them that this is exactly why our "critical support" has always been a thing.

They can't ignore that the people working to give real material support to something that they support are all the places that they've criticised us in the past for having "critical support" for. What would they do without all of these places we critically support? The palestinian people would be alone and there would be absolutely no pressures that make their complete and total genocide harder.

Like, this is a very serious moment that demonstrates exactly who the anti-imperialists are and who aren't.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

no more half measures, Hezbolluh waltuh

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Don't talk to me about your fake beliefs in "freedom" if you don't support international freedom fighters.

amerikkka

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago

Reports that Russia is preparing a draft UN Security Council resolution for Gaza ceasefire

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1712933875994017977

The US will probably veto this because Israel do not want peace, but it will put a stop to the idea that the US is looking for peace and have some political costs.

[–] Dickey_Butts@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (5 children)

The more time passes without other factions intervening on behalf of Palestine the more worried I get that this is going to turn into an all out genocide. Hopefully people are doing the math and realizing they won't get a better chance any time soon.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just got off the phone with my relative, from what he can tell its gonna pop off on Friday after jumma

And it's gonna be wild cause there were cops in the mosque who seemed to be supportive

Here we go

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[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago

Libs get pretty mad if you ask them to imagine if Russia reported that Ukrainian nazis beheaded Russian infants, they wouldn't release any photos of them, but Putin claimed he saw the photos, would they believe Russia there?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Keep an eye out for AI generated images entering the propaganda war. They're doing it with the babies story.

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[–] WilsonWilson@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There was an earthquake in Afghanistan on sunday and taliban are reporting 2,445 dead so far. Didn't even show up in my news feed until today. This is turning out to be one of those weeks where years happen.

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[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

We are hitting comment levels that shouldn't even be possible.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago

Human Rights Watch publicly calls out Israeli Defence Minister for his public calls to commit war crimes

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

From a chud channel but it's kinda true

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[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Love how my local news framed pro-Palestine protests as "occurring at a time when Hamas is massacring Jews at a level not seen since the Holocaust".

Anyway, so we've seen the propaganda, bloodlust, and hysteria over Ukraine. We're seeing the propaganda, bloodlust, and hysteria over Pissrael.

Now imagine how bad it's gonna be when the war with China begins.

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[–] autismdragon@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Breht goes THERMONUCLEAR on the latest episode of Rev Left: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/palestine-on-fire . This is a must-listen!

Breht if you're a lurker here, sankara-salute to you

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[–] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (15 children)

I think we're very close to a world war now. If, and it's a big if, this war broadens to include any of Israel's neighbors and then/or Iran, I think the cat's out of the fucking bag.

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[–] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Im away for three goddamn days

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (6 children)

This is really fucking it. This is turning into a battle for the middle east.

Where's the off ramp? Where's the opportunity to de-escalate? There is none. There is a very very real chance the US gets dragged into a war with Iran over this.

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

New MoA: U.S. Plans To Ethnically Cleanse Gaza

Essentially, the US is trying to push a plan to allow Palestinian refugees a path out of Gaza, but of course, without any right to return this is essentially just ethnic cleansing under the guise of humanitarianism. It gives the apartheid state exactly what it wants.

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[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fetishization of freedom of speech has destroyed the Western ability to think critically.

The assumption is that the "accurate" views will trickle down and thus there's no need for you to think critically on your own.

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[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

BREAKING: IDF discovers more than 40 rakes in settlements around the Gaza strip, strategically placed so that civilians would step on them and smack their heads. When will this terror end?

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Israeli intelligence had no information about the preparation of an attack by the Palestinian Hamas movement, American and Israeli officials told The New York Times. They called it an intelligence failure.

The newspaper notes that Hamas managed to “suppress” Israel’s Iron Dome missile defense system. It was overloaded with “a barrage of inexpensive but deadly missiles,” writes the NYT, specifying that the missile defense system itself is already ten years old.

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[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

EITHER YOU'RE WITH US, OR YOU'RE WITH THE TERRORISTS (THE STATE OF ISRAEL)

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[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago

when the settlers is raving in the desert, they is vibe. sometime come the drop, sometime the paragliders

[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago

I SALUTE MY COMRADES POSTING IN THE NEWS MEGATHREAD

I SALUTE THE FLAG 🇵🇸

[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Even when they’re ostensibly pro-Palestine, western commentators can’t help but fall into the same trop a when talking about Hamas. Alice Trashfuture out of nowhere said “Hamas is going to go into these settlements and kill incriminately and the Israeli right get to say we’re going to bulldoze Gaza into the sea, like they always have been”. On the surface indicting Israel, but playing into the fucking both-sides narrative. Exhausting

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

CNN's website has this ~1 hour old article: Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded in Hamas attack | CNN

A minute ago a CNN anchor clued me into the new hasbara spin: "Hamas was willing to kill babies so..." At that point I paused and googled for two reasons. I needed to confirm there was no proof of the beheadings or or rest of the lies. It was still beheaded baby vibes. And I needed to stop myself from taking my desktop screen, lifting it over my head, and bringing it down repeatedly until I passed out from injury and pain.

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[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

One of my sources has just sent me this plan found on the body of one of the Hamas terrorists involved in last saturday's attack.

This confirms that they deliberately targeted children, truly sickening shit. It's incomprehensible how you tankies can still support Palestine.

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (9 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Starting to think the IDF hasn't actually sent much armour to Gaza and has instead sent the vast majority of their armour to the northern border with Lebanon due to fears about Hezbollah.

Also think that any timescale we see them give for anything should be doubled or tripled.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

BREAKING: Comrade Swift taylor-commie is reportedly on the ground in Lebanon. Will lead a contingent of swifties to liberate occupied Palestinian territory.

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Wishing the DPRK was in charge of socialist foreign policy rn

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The Governments of Spain and Ireland both officially protested against the decision by the European Union to block and suspend all financial aid funding to Palestine. Belgium was also not too happy about it but I can't find confirmation that they protested it in an official capacity.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

Twitter discourse has reached "Marx was an antisemite, and that's why the leftists won't support apartheid"

https://twitter.com/sleepy_devo/status/1711380327447380073

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