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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (8 children)
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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Hasan's stream has been invaded by angry Turks lol. Tuned in and he was talking in Turkish to chatters. I guess he said something about the treatment of Kurds in Turkey and the Armenian genocide.

EDIT: He just banned the Turkish language from the chat lmao

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[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Western journalism is dead. I mean, reporting on the Ukraine war was just flat out bad propaganda, which they're walking back now Russia is gaining ground again. But when it comes to palestine, they never manage to condemn Israel for far worse things they condemn Russia for! Even IF they manage to publish an anti-zionist voice, they have to juxtapose it with Bret 'Paris infestor' Stephens blaming the anti zionist left. Fuck em, hope they fuckin implode.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Israel really wants this "terrorism" narrative, should push back.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israeli Settlers Take Advantage of Gaza Chaos to Attack Palestinians in West Bank; Settlers and soldiers have killed 51 Palestinians in the West Bank since Saturday. At least two Palestinian villages

this current conflict is looking to me as a now or never for palestinian liberation, i think Fatah and the PLO are going to be forced to either join the war or slowly get eliminated in the west bank.

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[–] Antiwork@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The “idk how to feel posts” are so gross. And claiming your Judaism has a thread to Israel is also gross. Unless you’re a Zionist and at that point fuck off

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Gustavo Petro just threatened to sever diplomatic relations with Israel on twitter and called on the rest of LatAm to do the same if necessary. My Spanish is a bit rusty, but I think he also accused them of aiding war/war crimes in Colombia based on the translation.

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[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (20 children)

This is a great week for learning which of your friends and family would've been genocide collaborators.

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[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

First bullet point of the Hamas international English communiqué about the operation:

First, Operation Al-Aqsa Flood was a supremely defensive act.

Hell yeah it was. Straight and to the point.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This conflict has gotten Saudi Arabia and Iran to talk on the phone for the first time ever:

"For the first time, a telephone conversation between the President of Iran, Raisi, and the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Bin Salman. The war in Gaza is on the agenda" - Kann News correspondent, Roi Kais

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Iranian media says approximately 2.4 million Iranians have signed up as volunteers to fight for the liberation of Palestine, after an SMS service was set up for the cause

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If Jeremy Corbyn were PM of the UK right now things would be absolutely fucking bonkers.

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[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At least half a hundred infants in Gaza have been killed by now but there’ll be no mourning for them

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[–] s0ngs0ng@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (5 children)

HEZBOLLAH

“Palestine is not Ukraine. If America intervenes directly, all American locations in the region will become legitimate targets of the resistance axis and will face our attacks. And on this day there will be no red line left."

(source is extremly bad tho, the_real_fly )

flashback

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[–] BigBoyKarlLiebknecht@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Someone on here mentioned the number, and I went to check as it seemed such a wild and disgusting fact.

In a grim piece of scorekeeping, Israel has stated that they have dropped over 6000 bombs on Gaza in 6 days, which means they are on track to exceed the number dropped on Afghanistan by the coalition in 2002. On an area smaller than Portland Oregon.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (8 children)

McDonalds is having a civil war.

Israel McDonalds: Supports the IDF

Pakistan McDonalds: Supports Gaza

Oman McDonalds: Supports Gaza

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Biden comparing Hamas to ISIS in his latest speech, this seems to be the new propaganda line. I saw the Israeli defence minister make the same comparison just an hour or two ago.

This has been carefully picked to foster right wing support and also decrease left wing support. Proving it untrue will be very important to making sure leftists don't drop off.

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Re Israel turning on water in southern Gaza:

I am from Gaza and I am telling you this is a JOKE.

Israel destroyed many water pipes.

Also, without electricity we can NOT turn on the water pumps.

Water in Gaza does not simply run into the taps. We have to fill water tanks about twice a week.

https://twitter.com/itranslate123/status/1713573465620656451

Really sounds like this "kind gesture" is a cheap pr trick and will effectively amount to nothing.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago

Human Rights Watch (HRW) says it confirmed by verifying videos that Israel used white phosphorus in Gaza and Lebanon

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (6 children)

US Senator Lindsey Graham -

“Iran if you escalate this war we are coming for you. You will be knocked out of the oil business.”

Honestly not sure there's much point even posting this loser anymore. Biggest cuck of them all. Literally just an annoying yappy dog yapyapyapyap

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[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Rules-based internacional genocide

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[–] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Slava ukraina guy who hates israel for taking away US dollars that could be used for ukraine

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[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (10 children)

We live in interesting times.

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (6 children)

every time this guy goes to a party from now on, he's going to be hallucinating Hamas supersoldiers paragliding in

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)

goku-halal I do not recognize Israel as a legitimate state.

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[–] FakeNewsForDogs@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Guy on Aljazeera saying Biden's speech sounded like he'd been manipulated by Netanyahu, as though America is not just as insatiably bloodthirsty and racist in its own right. That shit was straight out of the Bush playbook. Netanyahu didn't have to manipulate a damn thing.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago

Haaretz Hebrew has “As many bombs were dropped on Gaza in 6 days as the U.S. dropped in a year in Afghanistan.”

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Beheaded babies were a dud. Now for something Americans can really relate to

maybe-later-kiddo "This time Israel and the US are being truthful!!!"

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Russia proposes to the UN Security Council to vote on Monday, regarding a draft resolution calling for an immediate humanitarian truce between Israel and Palestine.

This will give us a US veto. Which obviously isn't a good thing but exposes the US to the rest of the world for what they are.

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[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

In france-cool , there's a political party that doesn't actually suck: the NPA, the New Anticapitalist Party. They do present a candidate to national elections but acknowledge fully they don't intend to be elected / capitalism can't be rid of through ballots; they do it to take advantage of the equal airwave time every candidate has in order to have public speaking time.

Anyway, recently they published a communiqué about the events in Palestine; saying they "fully support Palestinians" as well as "support the means they chose to resist".

Today it has been announced that they are now under an official inquiry by the state for "terrorism apologia".

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

my current goal is to get featured in one of those "why we're defederating from hexbear" posts

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Iranian Foreign Minister, Amir Abdollahian: If the siege and warcrimes against Gaza do not stop, the opening of other fronts is definitely a possibility

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[–] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago

The Silence of the Bears – Russia Is Reorienting Towards the Arabs

I just wanna highlight this segment

In the first direct Russian warning to the US Navy force in the Eastern Mediterranean, Zakharova added: “So far we see that the situation is developing along the path of escalation. There is a great risk of involving third forces in this conflict. And this is fraught with long-term consequences for the region and for the world.”

Putin followed in the evening on the telephone with the Turkish President, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. “The need for an immediate ceasefire by both sides and the resumption of the negotiation process was emphasised,” according to the Kremlin’s communiqué. “Mutual readiness to actively contribute to this was expressed…Separate issues of Russian-Turkish cooperation in various fields were also touched upon.”

Erdogan’s press release was more revealing. He and Putin had “touched upon what initiatives can be taken to meet humanitarian needs in the region, as the Turkish president told Putin that targeting civilian settlements is worrying and Türkiye does not welcome such move.” Erdogan’s twitter announcement adds: “President Erdoğan and President Putin of Russia also exchanged views on potential initiatives to meet humanitarian needs in the region.”

This is a hint that Erdogan and Putin are contemplating a Turkish ship convoy of aid to Gaza, protected from Israeli attack by the Russian Navy from its Tartous base on the Syrian coast, and by the Russian Air Force from Hmeimim. This humanitarian operation by sea would aim at breaking the blockade of the coast by the Israelis, and running the gauntlet of the USS Gerald Ford and its squadron further offshore. If this operation, a reminder of the Gaza Flotilla of 2010, is in planning now – the open signals are warning Washington and the US Navy to expect it – then the confrontation, and the risk to the US and Israel of strategic defeat at sea, are unprecedented.

[–] krammaskin@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry, I just did a lib-thing but oh boy it felt good! Apparently, the EU Commission is not allowed to represent the EU on any foreign policy stuff according to its charters (Title 2, Article 17, Code of Conduct for the Members of the European Commission). But we have all seen Ursula von der Leyen hug mass murdering Israel as if it was Santa and do all kind of foreign policy stuff.

Latest ex: https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1712851530057961862

So I dug up the charter and emailed the Commission with my most lib lawyer voice I could muster and told them that they need to cease and desist their constitutional overstep. Pointed out that in my country, it carries a 2 years prison sentence for not following the expected constraints of a public office.

I'm almost completely sure that nothing happens but let se if "rule based order" also include the rules that they have made for themselves :) (yeah, it won't but I'll take any number that is greater than 0%)

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[–] Goblinmancer@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Why tf would hamas behead babies, like even idf soldiers arent beheaded, hasbara just throwing shit and see if it sticks or not.

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Watching another report. Heart-breaking interview of a Palestinian doctor who described how she's working 24 hours and how everyone is trapped in a cage while being bombarded. Followed up by a bunch of vomit inducing Israeli propaganda about how "they have no choice" after the indiscriminate killing by the Hamas fighters that crossed the border.

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago

I feel like it is only a matter of days until a high ranking US or Israeli official slips up and uses the phrase "final solution"

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I got banned from worldnews on one of my accounts for using "Genocide Joe" so they really don't want that one getting popular it seems.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (8 children)
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