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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Comrades, we are in the weeks where decades happen

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Preparations are ongoing for a large humanitarian convoy in defiance of Israel's threats that any such thing would be bombed.

Either it will work and they will ease off, or they will bomb the fuck out of it. I suspect american liberals will still defend it if they do but over here in Europe and the rest of the world it will be indefensible.

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[–] MalarchoBidenism@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

The funny-clown-hammer reddit-logo now has a post saying the baby beheadings have been confirmed. Their proof is Biden said he saw videos. I am not joking, that was literally all it took, and they are shocked that anyone would ask for actual evidence instead of believing the President of the United States.

Edit: Here is the link, you masochists

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[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The World Uyghur Congress is wholly on the side of Israel and still coping about Xinjiang, standing on the collapsed high-rises and bodies of a city the size of Nelson Mandela Bay.

PIGPOOPBALLS

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Man who has provably lied to you 1000 times: "THEYRE KILLING BABIES!!!"

The most gullible people on the planet: "that's so true, we must utterly destroy them"

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Incredible to be living through events that, in 50, 70, maybe 100 years from now will be regarded with a similar degree of horror as the Holocaust. People living under communism in 2100 will wonder why we - as in, the mass of humanity living at the time - did nothing about the Palestinian Genocide of 2023. There will be people who get ancestry tests that reveal that they had Israeli settler grandparents and they will feel such intense shame and even try and hide the results. As we describe extremely bad people as "Hitler", they will describe similarly bad people as "Netanyahu", an example of almost superhuman evil. Goebbels and Himmler will have similar comparisons to current Israeli politicians.

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I saw fucking Baked Alaska on Twitter saying that the Israeli president's line of "there are no innocent civilians" is a call for genocide and further dehumanization of the Palestinian people. Meanwhile, the average r/worldnews lib is still cheering this shit on. My God, the West is fucked. agony-deep

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Hamas is so utterly stupid and incompetent that they invoked Da Plan: Kill All Schoolchildren!!1! on a Saturday. Almost as stupid as Putler blowing up his own pipeline.

(do NOT ask how this "stupid" force bypassed billions of dollars worth of surveillance equipment and killed hundreds of IDF troops with almost no pushback for hours)

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

over/under on Israel not actually doing a ground offensive in Gaza and just bombing it to smithereens for weeks on end, so as to not incite a regional war (at the request of the United States if nothing else)?

if all these proposed actions by various groups are conditional on a ground offensive then if I was Israel then I would just try and set a new world record for the number of bombs dropped per square inch for the next few months and not go in

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[–] SingleUseAntiZionist@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I work in an entertainment union and it’s scary how my liberal Jewish superiors become genocidal overnight. No context, no understanding of colonialism/the nakba, no knowledge of the Palestinian resistance, just a bunch of first world white people who get to be “scared” and “threatened” because they think hamas/Iran “want to kill all Jews. They just want to kill Jews, they don’t want peace, they don’t want a second state”

Insane cope to justify genocide, but whatever helps you sleep at night on your bed of brown children corpses

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Iran sent a message to Israel on Saturday stressing that it does not want further escalation in the Hamas-Israel war, but that it will have to intervene if the Israeli operation in Gaza continues, two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation told Axios.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/14/iran-warning-israel-hezbollah-hamas-war-gaza

That's another power directly stating that they will get involved if a ground operation begins.

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (11 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Pretty clear that they're trying to do genocide through ethnic cleansing, they don't even hide it:

https://streamable.com/4zb0as

Ex-Israeli Deputy Foreign minister & senior Israeli diplomat Daniel Ayalon to Al-Jazeera about the question over the future of the 2 Million Palestinians in Gaza:

AJE broadcaster:

— “So you are saying that they can only go to Egypt?”

Danny:

— “Yes. Where else can they go?”

AJE broadcaster:

— “Israel.. can’t they? You want to save them but not letting them in and k*ll them. Don’t smile sir, respectfully”

When he smiles:

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Im worried that if I leave to eat a sandwhich I'll come back to find out I missed Nasserists coup Egypt and declare a united arab war against israel or some shit

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[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Looking increasingly likely that the festival was the site of an actual military battle, complete with Israeli tanks present. Image is sfw

There's also a video of the battle going around but I'm going to refrain from posting it here.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

the fact that Israel seems to be serious about this invasion is inconceivable. never interrupt your enemy when they're about to make a mistake I guess

bunch of tiktok-dancing IDF conscripts are gonna try and do the Harlem Shake in the bombed-out ruins of Gaza City and get shot at

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Bennett having a normal one: https://nitter.net/BowesChay/status/1712491941269532976#m

"What about the babies in incubators in Gaza who's life support has been turned off because the Israelis have cut off the power"

His answer - Are you serious asking about Palestinian civilians? What's wrong with you?

He also refers to Palestinians as Nazis...

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[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

My company's internal meme page is absolutely filled to the brim with Israel support posts

Sorted by top of today

#1. Some tech shit idk - 1900 upvotes

#2. Hug to all Israeli employees - 1600 upvotes

#4. To all employees and loved ones in Israel - 1100 upvotes

#7. Support Israel - 800 upvotes

#9. Israel flag in heart shape - 600 upvotes

I count a total of 8 fucking Israel flags on the front page. People are making memes to tell people to DONATE to Israel

Not a single post supporting Palestine or even the THOUSANDS of Palestinians civilians who were bombed. All comments voicing support for Palestine were all from Muslims and they've since been removed by HR/deleted by the creator

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[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (10 children)

TFW you’re like 500 replies deep into the thread and accidentally click a username, losing your spot forever

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago

If you want to immediately, thoroughly shut down any complex discussion of a conflict just accuse the other side of violence against women and children then use it as a mallet to beat anyone who dares to challenge you.

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Actual footage of me going onto Reddit for the first time since this all started kicking off

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

I frequent a football forum and the "world news" thread started kicking off with the Palestinian Israel situation. It started off way too "both sides" so I jumped in with a fuck load of links to the heinous shit Israel has committed over the last few years along with something like "with shit like this it's no wonder Hamas has been able to recruit."

The forum thread took a hard pro Palestine turn. There was a couple of pro Israel posters in the thread making the normal antisemitic accusations and general bullshit and their arguments were getting utterly destroyed by pretty much everyone in the thread.

Posting works folks. Make sure you push back, particularly in smaller online communities where it's easier to get through and discuss one on one, you will change minds even if it's not the person you're engaging with. People are absorbing propaganda by osmosis. Its so important to push back when you have the opportunity.

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Just got an email from my university condemning the "violent antisemitism on the streets recently" and comparing it to racism against indigenous Australians.

My blood is boiling

These fucking hypocrites

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[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

I hate liberal politics. Israel does not have a "right to defend itself", colonies don't even have a right to exist. Every adult Israeli who does not oppose the state of Israel is complicit in the genocide of the Palestinian people.

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[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (8 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

The BBC is pushing back against the "Hamas are terrorists" narrative after liberals criticised them for never calling Hamas "terrorists".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67083432

If you combine this with the map of countries in the world that recognise Palestine, you can build a narrative that could convince some of your lib friends that the correct interpretation of Hamas is that they are a national army of a country (Palestine) recognised by countries representing a population of 80% of the world. That calling them "terrorists" is fundamentally incorrect.

I genuinely think combining the respect the libs have for the BBC with this point will actually do some very real damage to the "they're terrorists" narrative.

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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I just got an email from my job warning about protests in nyc tomorrow telling us to stay vigilant and my mom texted me asking if I was okay because she heard people are gonna stay home from work tomorrow because they're worried about bombings lmao this is crazy it's like the anthrax scare all over again

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[–] puff@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm pretty freaked out by France announcing that they will deport any foreign nationals caught not wishing death and destruction upon innocent Palestinian children. How long until all Western countries are just deporting or imprisoning everyone who isn't foaming at the mouth for perpetual war against Russia, Palestine, and China? Is this really the freedom the West claims to be a bastion of? Please for the love of Socialism, stay safe out there, comrades. And don't dox yourselves.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (10 children)

German newspaper today had a frontpage article about pro-Palestinian protests happening in major cities in the country. You'll never guess the headline.

"Hamas' influence extends even into our own borders."

The sheer audacity is staggering. This conflict and the media coverage have left me in utter disbelief. When every frontpage article was "Slava Ukraini" I noticed the propaganda and the clearly biased reporting, but I was mostly willing to led that slide because I can sympathize with Ukraine supporters in that it's a smaller country being invaded by a larger one and Putin does indeed suck ass. I understand siding with Ukraine against Russia.

But there is no excuse for siding with Israel, a substantially more powerful force holding literally all of the cards. They are unmistakeably the bad guys here. They are the oppressors, the occupiers, the invaders. The almost unilateral support for Israel has been an intensely jokerfying experience.

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[–] edge@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)
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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Neo-cons and liberals are Holden Bloodfeast rn

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[–] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Unconfirmed rumors that Hamas militants have been dressing up as sexy ladies with flowing hair and makeup, getting IOF soldiers immeasurably horny, before running around a corner and extending a frying pan behind them. So far at least 5 occupiers have fallen victim to this cruel attack, I seek condemnation at an international level.

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[–] DootDoot@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The music festival organisers also tried to secure a spot in the Korean DMZ, Nagorno-Karabakh, Bakhmut and the Serbia-Kosovo border. Unfortunately as those were all booked, they had to settle for a spot next to Gaza.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Libs love the phrase "When somebody tells you who they are - believe them." Well...

"Gaza will eventually turn into a city of tents... There will be no buildings," an Israeli security official tells Israel's Channel 13.

Nitter

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

According to zionist media, a number of settlers in occupied Asqalan received messages in Hebrew on their phones saying: "By order of the Al-Qassam Brigades, leave your homes immediately. We will launch a missile attack soon."

more warning than the Gazans get nowadays. Hamas is less of a terrorist force than Israel

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The New York Times isn't even trying anymore.

archive.today • As War Rages, Netanyahu Battles for Reputation and Legacy - The New York Times

Mr. Netanyahu, a good politician, knows that Israel exists to defend the Jewish people.

Comments are off too.

[Edit - To be clear - it's a news article not an op-ed.]

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This situation is so bad that Vaush has good takes about it.

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[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Highlight from Al-Qassam Brigades military spokesman Abu Obeida's speech yesterday:

We heard today that the senile old man Yoav Gallant called us "human animals." Perhaps they meant the lions that trampled over their pig soldiers' necks inside their military bases, tanks, and fortresses.

lol owned

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