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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (1 children)

More Palestinian children have died in one week than Ukrainian children in 1.5 years. Where’s the genocide condemnations? It’s only genocide when bad country does it?

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (8 children)

zelensky-pain

What a fuckin’ loser. Liberals have dropped him like a hot potato now that they have another genocide to support.

Dumbass really thought he would escape the universal puppet fate of being discarded like used toilet paper once your usefulness has run its course

I’m not sure anyone would care if he died at this point.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago
[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the Danish city of Odense an alderman from the right-wing Liberal party has demanded that the zionist entity's flag should be flown from the city hall and the local castle just as they are already doing with the Ukrainian flag. He gives the following reason:

We do so because "Israel" in exactly the same way as Ukraine has been invaded on their territory

Satire is dead, words have no meaning. The colonisers are victims and the colonised are occupiers.

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 73 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Imagine it's 1943, you're a well off gentile European with the ability to move anywhere in the world. You decide to attend an open-air accordion music concert within earshot of the Warsaw ghetto under the nazi banner. In between each insipid oom-pah song you can hear the wailing of sick, starving, dying Jews suffering at the hands of the SS. You sit there, still smiling, vibing, dancing, enjoying the music.

You absolutely, 100% deserve death. You're reveling in human suffering.

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[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Germany effectively bans pro-Palestinian sentiment

How’s that Western freedom looking?

Death to Germany

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (2 children)

British State Media BBC News says that its journalists were held at gunpoint by Israeli police

spoiler— "BBC journalists covering the attack on Israel were assaulted and held at gunpoint after they were stopped by police in the Israeli city of Tel Aviv.

Muhannad Tutunji, Haitham Abudiab and their BBC Arabic team were driving to a hotel when their car was intercepted.

They were dragged from the vehicle - marked "TV" in red tape - searched and pushed against a wall.

A BBC spokesperson said journalists "must be able to report on the conflict in Israel-Gaza freely".

Mr Tutunji and Mr Abudiab said they identified themselves as BBC journalists and showed police their press ID cards."

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[–] context@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago

real slouching towards bethlehem hours

palestine-heart i'm an atheist but may allah protect the people of palestine and grant them liberation

[–] gregheffley@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago

I’m not even joking, one strategy I’ve told to some to “get informed” is to not watch the news and they’ve switched to a pro-palestine perspective within hours

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are 6649 comments on this thread and yet my comments don't get 6649 upbears.

Curious.

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[–] super_mario_69@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Jesus fucking christ I am becoming Jokerified at rates never before observed by science. We've been saying it here for a long time already that the entire west is 99,9% run and inhabited by bloodthirsty fascists and outright nazis, and I've kind of just taken it as a half-serious joke like "haha yeah ikr :p" but FUCK it's literally true isn't it? Ordinary fucking people with ordinary fucking jobs that can barely contain their childlike glee that hundreds of palestinians are going to get vaporized. Friends I thought were solidly progressives both-sidesing this extremely obviously clear-cut opressor vs oppressed conflict. One fucking guy went all mask-off "this conflict is actually rich vs poor and the rothchilds are actually behind it and BOTH SIDES are spreading propaganda and being unruly :smuglord: ". I predict that he is less than two weeks away from becoming full fash. Inshallah may the west fall. Seventy two trillion years of humiliation.

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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the depths of my hatred for amerikkka cannot be expressed by words. i literally hate this place and all the evil people in it. i hate what it stands for and what it’s done to innocent people all over the world. if there were a god, he would smite this evil country and return it to its indigenous people

Death to Israel

Death to America

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Activists splattered the front enterance of the BBC with red paint: Twitter / Nitter

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago

Video purporting to be Palestinian youth confronting Israeli forces in Jerusalem/al-Quds CW: One resistance fighter falls, apparently shot. Palestinian resistance members are using fireworks and molotovs against Israeli forces

Jesus. They're just kids.

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (3 children)

reminder that netanyahu is from the suburbs of Philadelphia. the leader of a country which is home to a people who are putatively indigenous to the levant and claim to have been there for thousands of years has a favorite cheesesteak place

Death to America

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

maduro-salute

Venezuela’s president Nicolas Maduro on Palestine: 'World Has to Say No to the Genocide of Palestinians'.

- "No electricity, no water, no fuel. Total blockade, invasion of Gaza. There, in a small space, live millions of human beings who, for decades, have been bombed, tortured, attacked, persecuted, and martyred. That is the sacred people of Gaza.”

https://streamable.com/6i74ei

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (10 children)
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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (2 children)

cw: israeli occupation soldier aiming a rifle at women and children.

Chairman Daou continues to be good. Pretty good glow-up all told.

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (14 children)

BREAKING Reports that Hamas wasn't targeting civilians at the music festival - The IDF were shooting at Hamas FROM the crowd of civilians.

Civilians were caught in the crossfire.

Twitter | Nitter

Surprise surprise.

There's a video on the tweet showing IDF troops firing at Hamas near an IDF tank with ravers hiding.

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[–] cctaacc@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I just love looking at so called "leftist" subreddits and seeing Hamas being equated to the Nazis.

Fuck the reeducation camps at this point, Barbara pit 2 electric boogaloo edition lets go.

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I'm starting to notice that a lot mainstream news calling this the "Israel-Hamas War" or "Israel's War on Hamas". Yet another subtle and disgusting way that they are obfuscating the dire situation that all Palestinians are facing.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (5 children)

“They just said, ‘We found Emily, she’s dead,’ and I went, ‘Yes,'” he said.

“I went ‘Yes,’ and smiled because that is the best news of the possibilities that I knew. The best possibility that I was hoping for,” he said.

Hand added that his daughter’s death was better than any other situation that could have happened.

“She was either dead or in Gaza, and if you know anything about what they do to people in Gaza, that is worse than death, that is worse than death,” the grieving father said. “The way they treat you, they have no food, they have no water.”

“She’d be in a dark room with Christ who knows how many people and terrified every minute, hour, day and possible years to come,” he cried out. “So death was a blessing, an absolute blessing.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w160D79pKUk

Israelis are like Japanese soldiers during WW2 where they think their opponents are literally subhuman who only know torture, rape, and inflicting pain. christ, I cannot imagine being this propagandized.

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[–] Sandinband@hexbear.net 71 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is so fucking evil this has been allowed to happen since 1948. The amount of trauma these people have had to experience is unbelievable and heartbreaking. I know life isn't fair etc etc but goddamn

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Witnessing two ethnic cleansing events within a month is not good for my psyche.

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[–] LargePenis@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Still mad at the way Hezbollah trolled me with the missile map and the instant Allahu Akbars on Telegram, only to reveal that it was a prank. I was going through all the emotions and started tearing up a bit thinking about my family in Beirut. You got our asses Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah

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[–] Gimasag@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Argument I seem to be having success with on reddit-logo :

If it's not OK for Hamas to attack Israeli towns just because there are a few soldiers or a tank stationed there, then why is it OK for Israel to level entire apartment buildings to kill one Hamas leader or take out a single rocket battery on a rooftop?

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[–] buh@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Remembering how "muslims should stay in their home countries and work to make it better instead of becoming refugees in the west" was a mainstream talking point for almost 2 decades

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

https://streamable.com/q9a9as

Erdogan claims the US has been training and arming all terrorist groups at some 20 military bases in Syria, and turning entire Middle East into a bloodshed by unleashing them.

https://streamable.com/rsg33u

Also accused the US of planning to carry out massacres in Gaza by sending aircraft carrier group to Israel.


Things are getting really fucking spicy between Turkey and the US.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (27 children)

Content warning: Death, shooting, bodies. Graphic.

https://streamable.com/o9ciwm (give it a minute or 2 to process)

Hard to justify not sharing this one despite how graphic it is as it has some of the most incredible combat footage I have ever seen. Close combat storming of an Israeli base. Showing every single step of the process they undertook from rocket barrages, taking out observation cameras, engineers blowing walls and fences, battles with pillboxes, coordinated drone strikes alongside simultaneous infantry assault.

Really shows off an extremely professional force.

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

There are weeks where 900 comment news megas happen, and there are days where 1500 comment news megas happen

-Lenin

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (5 children)

If someone tells you that Hamas seeks the genocide of Jews generally, this is an antisemitic trope.

Officially, Hamas opposes Zionists but actually outlaws violence against non-zionist jews.

This rhetoric conflates jews with zionists, as imperialists and other anti semites love to do.

Article Thirty-One: The Islamic Resistance Movement is a humanistic movement. It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions. It does not antagonize anyone of them except if it is antagonized by it or stands in its way to hamper its moves and waste its efforts.

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that.

It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror. Everyone of them is at variance with his fellow-religionists, not to speak about followers of other religionists. Past and present history are full of examples to prove this fact.

"They will not fight against you in a body, except in fenced towns, or from behind walls. Their strength in war among themselves is great: thou thinkest them to be united; but their hearts are divided. This, because they are people who do not understand." (The Emigration - verse 14). Islam confers upon everyone his legitimate rights. Islam prevents the incursion on other people's rights. The Zionist Nazi activities against our people will not last for long. "For the state of injustice lasts but one day, while the state of justice lasts till Doomsday."

"As to those who have not borne arms against you on account of religion, nor turned you out of your dwellings, Allah forbiddeth you not to deal kindly with them, and to behave justly towards them; for Allah loveth those who act justly." (The Tried - verse 8).

You may notice that they argue that only an Islamic theocracy can bring about religious harmony, so like, Hamas still has terrible and right wing politics, but I wanted to set the record straight on a common bit of rhetoric you're going to see in the wild.

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[–] Zrc@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

angery "how dare you say that decades of ethnic cleansing justify the Palestinian resistance."

so-true "we must commit genocide because they murdered a few settlers"

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 70 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

We reject Israel's plan to displace Gaza citizens - White House.

[but won't do anything about it]

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Preparations are ongoing for a large humanitarian convoy in defiance of Israel's threats that any such thing would be bombed.

Either it will work and they will ease off, or they will bomb the fuck out of it. I suspect american liberals will still defend it if they do but over here in Europe and the rest of the world it will be indefensible.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (4 children)
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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago

Israel 🤝 Ukraine

Calling the people you subjugate animals or "orcs"

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Comrades, we are in the weeks where decades happen

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[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Russia to build nuclear plant to meet Burkina Faso's energy needs (BBC, 13.10.2023)

Burkina Faso is one of the least electrified countries globally, with only 21% of people connected to power.

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Man who has provably lied to you 1000 times: "THEYRE KILLING BABIES!!!"

The most gullible people on the planet: "that's so true, we must utterly destroy them"

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Incredible to be living through events that, in 50, 70, maybe 100 years from now will be regarded with a similar degree of horror as the Holocaust. People living under communism in 2100 will wonder why we - as in, the mass of humanity living at the time - did nothing about the Palestinian Genocide of 2023. There will be people who get ancestry tests that reveal that they had Israeli settler grandparents and they will feel such intense shame and even try and hide the results. As we describe extremely bad people as "Hitler", they will describe similarly bad people as "Netanyahu", an example of almost superhuman evil. Goebbels and Himmler will have similar comparisons to current Israeli politicians.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (8 children)

I really have to stress to westerners that there will be no exodus to Egypt or any other Arab country

One of the ironclad laws of Arab bourgeois politics is the halt of Palestinian movement, if even 10,000 Palestinians crossed the border Sisi will literally be couped by the military, he knows this and he hinted as much yesterday

The Israelis are pushing the Arab regimes up against a wall and the Americans with their typical arrogant amnesia aren't paying attention, if this keeps up the regimes are going to be forced to do something really fuckin funny

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 69 points 2 years ago

It is shocking how some people can treat the grief and suffering of other people so disrespectful.

From a Twitter post made by the Zionist entity's self-styled "embassy" in Copenhagen as comment to a video of masked men wearing Palestinian colors removing flowers that local residents sympathetic to the apartheid regime has put at the "embassy".

The tweet was posted while the occupation regime's air force was conducting terror bombings of civilian Palestinians in retaliating for the Al-Aqsa Flood.

Shoot and cry is easily one of the most disgusting forms of propaganda.

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