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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[–] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is a world war "diagnosed" post facto? Did people call it WW2 in 1940?

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)

A U.S. Navy Boeing P-8A “Poseidon” Anti-Submarine and Surveillance Platform is currently Airborne over the Eastern Mediterranean to the Southwest of Cyprus, suspecting a submarine, most likely Russian to be in the area.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Israel really be "asking" Palestinians in a place with no electricity to move huh.

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

The party leader for the Swedish left party is doing genocide denial, in her latest tweet on the matter she describes Gaza as "facing" a humanitarian catastrophe, and that "innocent Palestinians are at risk of dying." Furthermore she finishes off her tweet by claiming that the situation is playing into "the terror group Hamas' hands."

https://twitter.com/dadgostarnooshi/status/1711808952868946319

Right before this tweet she retweeted former center right prime minister Carl Bildt, when he says that the solution to stopping terrorism in Gaza is to fund new businesses through loans and guarantees.

https://twitter.com/CBildt/status/1711089713765863725

Disgusting opportunist.

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Resistance fighters have reached the Palestinian city of Rahat in the occupied Naqab as the resistance advances from #Gaza. Rahat is 35km from Gaza, and 10km away from the West Bank.

from https://t.me/PalestineResist/13968

[–] gabaghoul@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Reuters quoting Israel's representative to the United Nations: Israel is cutting ties with United Nations Coordinator Tor Wensland until he condemns Iran's activity against the State of Israel

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

https://streamable.com/cyvuxq

DeSantis calls Palestinians (semites) antisemitic.

American education and understanding of the world. Antisemitic just means "anti jew" to this man.

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[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

awooga 800 comments in 24 hours

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Hour of Awakening is near, The Moon has turned Red. The Frenzy has begun, there is little time left.

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[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Jfc i wanna chuck an NPR foreign correspondent out of a second floor window rn

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

11th Oct - End of day 5 Rybar sitrep:

spoiler❗️🇮🇱🇵🇸 Aggravation in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict zone what is known by the end of October 11, 2023

The fifth day of the Israeli-Palestinian confrontation has come to an end. Today, the number of direct clashes between the IDF and Palestinian militants has decreased, but a few skirmishes still occurred in the Zikim and Sderot area.

Both sides continue to attack each other. In Gaza, the Israeli Air Force razes entire neighborhoods in Gaza, Khan Yunis, Al-Breij and Rafah. Palestinians fire back at central Israel: Ashkelon, Sderot and Tel Aviv airport are again under attack.

In the afternoon, the network was flooded with messages about a landing in northern Israel from southern Lebanon. Both Israeli and Palestinian sources wrote about 20 paragliders that flew under the cover of a swarm of UAVs. Later, the IDF denied the information and said that the alarm was caused by some kind of internal failure.

The Israeli government has reached agreements with the opposition to create an expanded cabinet that will manage the military effort. The former head of the Ministry of Defense Benny Gantz agreed to enter there, the possible accession of Yair Lapid and Naftali Bennett is being discussed. Such a structure would allow the incumbent far-right authorities to assert the legitimacy of their actions against the Palestinians, especially in a large-scale ground operation.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (4 children)

One of my new least favorite words now is "fluid".

Example: "There was never a firm commitment by the Israelis and the situation is fluid..."

The border is open. The border is closed. Go to the border or else!

Meanwhile there's a 100 truck convoy of aid trucks from Egypt at the border. Will the border open for them? Who knows. The situation is fluid.

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[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In some more positive news:

Other, more neoliberal-leaning forums that I frequent are rapidly turning against Israel as the conflict continues.

Moreover, the support that Western governments are pledging towards Israel, despite the latter's openly genocidal intentions, is acting as a harsh eye-opener.

I can only hope that they won't forget this.

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[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

On a more serious note my mom asked if I was ok yesterday based on pure vibes, then suggested that it was “anxiety over Israel” creeping into her everyday life

Ok yeah sure be anxious over the wholesome 100 CIA fiefdom fucking up, and not over the impending death of thousands of Palestinian civilians in IDF bombings (though trust us the Air Force is doing surgical strikes, the civilians were just human shields bateman-ontological)

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Some reps in Iraqi Parlaiment have supposedly proposed creating a right to return for Iraqi Jews.

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[–] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (17 children)

Ethan Klein on Israel-Palestine live right now.

Edit: THE FOLLOWING ARE ALL ETHAN AND HILA'S WORDS.

He's currently complaining about "lefties" saying "I stand with Palestine" after the Hamas "terrorist attack". Even before "Israel hasn't done anything, just counting dead bodies."

He also said "unprovoked" but cut that out.

He and Hila talking about how hard it is to explain to people what "people went through" how people lost their entire families etc. That's "barbaric" and "disgusting." This is people's "hate for Israel" leading them to support "Hamas terrorism".

And that these people they killed weren't even "settlers" because they left in 2005. "There's no settlements around Gaza."

He compares it to trying to support Iraqi terrorists after we [America] killed a million of them and that you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't support a 1000 Iraqis invading LA.

"I stand with Palestine too" but you wouldn't say something like that after 9/11.

They say "this is their only recourse" and that "this is self-defence" but this not that. They went to a block and murdered kids, desecrated bodies, burnt people alive. You can "stand with Iraq [Palestine] and also condemn Hamas which people don't wanna do."

And Hamas is not "freedom fighters". They terrorize Palestinians under their rule.

WHEN A COMMENTATOR BRINGS UP ISRAEL DOING THE SAME, Ethan says he's not denying that AND HILA SAYS "I AM DENYING THAT."

Ethan continues you still won't be in favor of an Iraqi terrorist cell coming and killing everyone in your neighborhood. America killed a million Iraqis, a lot more than Israel has killed Palestine, so okay you go and volunteer for an Iraqi terrorist to slaughter you and your mom.

He agrees Gaza is an open air prison and then says that chatter should sacrifice his family to Iraqi terrorists if he cares about freedom so much.

He's nauseated by the callousness and support for violent terrorists online. When someone says "Ethan please learn more", Hila says he lived there for five years and married an Israeli. He knows more than some American. And Ethan repeats that the commenter should let Iraqi terrorist murder his family.

Let's say a group of Native Americans terrorists leave the reservation and burning people, killing kids etc, would you say "I support Native Americans" at that moment? That they should be allowed to kill and rape everyone who was born in America? Hila says "no, she would fight for her family and her home." Reminder, she was in the IDF.

Prominent lefties on Twitter are callous cowards are Ethan's main enemies right now.

Hila says these people don't understand what people grieving in Israel are feeling right now. None of them know what to expect or how long this war will last. And anyone saying "Free Palestine" right now is saying "I support Hamas."

700 people were murdered and lefties are going "Let's go Hamas!"

You don't need to murder 700 innocent people, including kids to protest occupation.

Cheering on Hamas right now isn't going to bring peace. What's going to happen to Gaza now is an invasion and it's going to be horrible for them.

I've seen people I like and follow do Hamas propaganda like Mia Khalifa saying "this is a renaissance painting to a pic of Hamas terrorists." Side note - She isn't a good, based progressive either.

After like an hour of criticizing lefties on Twitter, he says "there's equally psychotic takes on the right" before going back to trying to find "Lefties" supporting Hamas like Matt Lech "liking" a tweet about the girl taken by Hamas being given water.

Then he says "Hamas is going to now start murdering civilians one at a time on TV".

When someone says Israel is saying they will level Gaza he says "that's psychotic too" but then turns it back to how that doesn't mean you support should Hamas. "Israel is bad too" right now just means you support Hamas.

"I don't need to talk about Israel's horrible things, I've done that."

Now Netanyahu is going to gain support and do a full invasion and he blames people saying "I support Palestine" right after a terrorist attack as the reason for it.

If I'm not "woke" enough, then go surrender yourself to ISIS.

If he and Hasan disagree on anything, then that means Hasan is a Hamas supporter.

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

Im an atheist, but Im really hoping hell exists for these IDF freaks

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