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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


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Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
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English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

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Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

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Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

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Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

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Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] Cheesewizzard@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Using the most up-to-date casualty count I could find, the attack on Israel is like 15 9/11s. And given the 1000 casualties suffered by Palestinians since last week (gross underestimate), the Gaza Strip has suffered 53.9 9/11s.

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[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (4 children)

if someone IRL tries to convince me the 40 beheaded babies are real I am only going to refer to them as the babies thrown from the incubator by Saddam Hussein

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[–] IceWallowCum@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is a world war "diagnosed" post facto? Did people call it WW2 in 1940?

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[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Acting Commissioner Hudson said on Friday if the powers were used, police would be able to search attendees without reasonable cause and request identification, where failure to provide relevant documents would be deemed an offence.

He said he expected to know by Saturday whether there were enough grounds to authorise the powers, which are outlined in the Law Enforcement Act.

"Sunday's protest is being organised by the same group that organised the violent protest last Monday," he said.

"The admitted inability of the organisers of the event to control the membership of who might assemble on Sunday, the threat to public safety, and the extent of the violent behaviour we saw last Monday, we believe that we are able to meet this threshold."

The wider powers, which can be used to "lock the city down", were introduced after the 2005 Cronulla riots and have been used "intermittently" since, the acting commissioner said.

the 2005 cronulla race riots "were triggered by an event the previous Sunday, when an altercation turned physical between a group of youths of Middle-Eastern appearance (referred to as "Lebanese" or "Lebs" by their opponents) and White Australian lifeguards on the beach. Following the reporting of this event by the tabloid media and "shock jocks" on local radio, a racially motivated gathering was organised via chain texting for the following weekend."

Hmm yes we must crack down on muslims again :s

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Israel really be "asking" Palestinians in a place with no electricity to move huh.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (5 children)

A U.S. Navy Boeing P-8A “Poseidon” Anti-Submarine and Surveillance Platform is currently Airborne over the Eastern Mediterranean to the Southwest of Cyprus, suspecting a submarine, most likely Russian to be in the area.

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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Man, some corners of the web are continuing to run with "The reason why Mossad didn't see the attack coming was because the Palestinians were using Huawei smartphones." Here's some Taiwanese news channel discussing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXxMAM90tVY&t=38s

The key factor depends on what? Huawei

Are you serious?!

Two words: Hua wei

lol

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hearing reports on nextdoor of an Arab man spotted on Clark Avenue, the intersection with Forest Street walking a dog. omg pls stay safe people!

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

"Now, Israel will act like any other country would if it was invaded by a bloodthirsty neighbor and its citizens murdered, tortured, kidnapped and mutilated. And when the world inevitably protests the Jewish use of force, we won’t care."

Who said it?

An Israeli general on CNN or an American rabbi in the NYT?

SpoilerAn American rabbi

archive.today • Opinion | Seeking a Moral Compass in Gaza’s War - The New York Times

By Nicholas Kristof

Rabbi Jonathan Jaffe in Chappaqua, N.Y., issued an open letter noting that Jews have been traumatized by the terror attacks. “Now, Israel will act like any other country would if it was invaded by a bloodthirsty neighbor and its citizens murdered, tortured, kidnapped and mutilated,” he wrote. “And when the world inevitably protests the Jewish use of force, we won’t care.”

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Anyone have the link that story of Israel telling civilians to go the city center to escape bombing and then bombing the city center?

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

"According to N12 in Israel, the IDF was instructed to double their strikes tomorrow.

Possibly the preliminary heavier strike phase prior to the ground operation starting

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Reuters quoting Israel's representative to the United Nations: Israel is cutting ties with United Nations Coordinator Tor Wensland until he condemns Iran's activity against the State of Israel

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[–] gabaghoul@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well, this was entirely unexpected.

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I left the stream going muted in a tab. I just checked. It's still going on and it's ~24 minute after the hour. I wonder if it's been ad free. Did they give the fucker the entire hour?

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

(White house fox news reporter)

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (3 children)

/r/trueanon has retreated to the hills (gone private) to wage a protracted peoples war (the mods probably got tired of nuking genocidaire accounts)

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

Israel prepares for possible ground assault in Gaza as war deaths mount | AP News

I really like AP's live update page. It seems to be free of sensationalistic bullshit and it's easy to get a link to a particular update. I gave up on Al Jazeera because there's no way to get a simple link to a particular update. They force you to use their social media bullshit.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago (6 children)

In Israel they say that negotiations are underway to allow Americans and Palestinian civilians to leave Gaza for Egypt before the start of the ground operation - CNN citing a source

The United States has not yet decided to deploy a second aircraft carrier off the coast of Israel, but it is moving in that direction - White House

The United States is actively working with Israel and Egypt on the idea of evacuating the civilian population of the Gaza Strip - White House

[–] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

this will be used as an excuse to label anyone who stays behind as a terrorist

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