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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

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Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Palestinian Health Ministry states Israeli airstrikes targeted three convoys transporting evacuees in southern Gaza today, resulting in at least 70 fatalities.

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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Netanyahu wants Hamas treated like ISIS. Expect Israel to provide Hamas with weapons and intelligence very soon.

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[–] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago (1 children)

you poke me in the eye, I get to murder your entire generations of your family (j/k I was already doing that) <- morals of a cool and just society

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

“There really are two paths before countries in this region and in many ways, countries in this world. But here in the Middle East, there’s the path of integration, cooperation, normalization and equal measures of justice, opportunity, dignity for all peoples, including the Palestinians,” Blinken said.

He added: “Or there’s the path that Hamas has shown to the world these last few days — terror, destruction, nihilism, a path that leads to nowhere for anyone except to the darkest places in our souls.”

agony-immense

Motherfucker, who is flattening entire blocks right now? Who is bombing hospitals? Who is cutting off electricity and water?

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[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago

Haha! You dumb TANKIE, you fool, you idiot!!! Do you not know the Palestinians did a bad thing?

Here, I'll present you my sources:

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

[WESTERN MEDIA]

GOT YA HUH?

[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Lindsey Ellis did a great video on it, but American culture gets super weird when US interests are being challenged internationally

I saw it in real time on SNL last night and before a few football games today. It’s so ominous how they’re ignoring the outright slaughter of Palestinians to put the focus on “Israel being attacked by terrorists”

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

EDIT: Not sure of the validity of this one.

“We have abolished all the rules of warfare. Our soldiers will not be held responsible for anything. There will be no military courts.” - Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

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[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 56 points 2 years ago

Horrible that we're seeing a nuclear armed country preparing to commit old school genocide in real time.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Hezbollah released footage of an ATGM attack on an IDF IFV "Zelda" (reddit country) type in northern Israel, a tit-for-tat response attack performed as a result of Israeli attacks on their observation points.

https://streamable.com/7h6i3g

Tharallah is a laser guided ATGM that fired two missiles consecutively, the first one disables the armor and activates any trophy system that may be present. and the second missile penetrates the vehicle.

This is a very recently adapted and quite advanced ATGM which Hezbollah first tested out this year, 2023.

It also has the capability of simultaneously firing 4 missiles. For when you really really really really want something dead I suppose.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Israeli army spokesman told CNN: We gave the residents of Gaza sufficient warnings and it is time for them to leave south

Israeli army spokesman told CNN: We will begin a major military operation in Gaza when we see that civilians have left the area

Israeli army spokesman told CNN: The failure of foreigners to leave Gaza yesterday was due to Hamas, which did not allow them to leave

Better not leave the area then.

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[–] PaulSmackage@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

feast We have the best mega, folks. It's a beautiful mega. Thay say we'll hit 4k by friday. Do I believe it, possibly. Will it, i hope it does.

[–] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

god bless our beautiful mods. we love them, don't we folks?

reading through the modlogs lately is ptsd-inducing so thank you all for keeping this a righteous space

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Ken Klippenstein long tweet. What jumped out at me was the last sentence that I put in bold.

Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of 'something big' — Times of Israel

Mounting questions over Israel's massive intelligence failure to anticipate and prepare for a surprise Hamas assault were compounded Monday when an Egyptian intelligence official said that Jerusalem had ignored repeated warnings that the Gaza-based terror group was planning "something big" — which included an apparent direct notice from Cairo's intelligence minister to the prime minister.

The Egyptian official said Egypt, which often serves as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, had spoken repeatedly with the Israelis about "something big," without elaborating.

He said Israeli officials were focused on the West Bank and played down the threat from Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government is made up of supporters of West Bank settlers who have demanded a security crackdown there in the face of a rising tide of violence over the last 18 months.

"We have warned them an explosion of the situation is coming, and very soon, and it would be big. But they underestimated such warnings," the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss the content of sensitive intelligence discussions with the media, told The Associated Press.

In one of the said warnings, Egypt's Intelligence Minister General Abbas Kamel personally called Netanyahu only 10 days before the massive attack that Gazans were likely to do "something unusual, a terrible operation," according to the Ynet news site.

Unnamed Egyptian officials told the site they were shocked by Netanyahu's indifference to the news and said the premier told the minister the military was "submerged" in troubles in the West Bank.

Nitter

Egypt intelligence official says Israel ignored repeated warnings of "something big" | The Times of Israel

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[–] 187_Invitation@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (10 children)

https://twitter.com/carmeldangor/status/1711311306957955316

After repeated demands from residents: about 1000 m16 weapons will be provided to citizens in Judea and Samaria. The weapons will be provided to military graduates who meet the criteria. The final number and distribution of weapons has not yet been determined.

Not sure how accurate the translation is. Can't tell if it means reserve getting called up or giving weapons to anyone who has military training.

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

more like hexbollah amiright

[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (21 children)

The further this escalates the more you're gonna see a lot of crazy shit from american christians. As someone who grew up in a very christian family I remember hearing a lot about end times prophecy and as a kid I got into the left behind series and I myself was convinced the rapture was gonna happen. What's happening now pushes a lot of these peoples buttons the fundies are already going ape shit over this convinced it means jesus is coming because a conflict involving Israel is supposedly when the tribulation begins.

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[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A Roaring Flood—By Any Means Necessary:
One week has passed since the start of Al-Aqsa Flood. The entity crumbles under the weight of its own contradictions as our people stand tall.

In a desperate move to collect its shattered pieces dispersed by the flood, the IOF threatened a ground invasion. The resistance has made it clear: they are ready and waiting. From the first day, a ground invasion was described as "the best possible option" by resistance leaders.

The resistance is not foolish; it is confident and fully aware that even in the worst-case scenario, they have the upper hand. This meticulously planned operation is a testament to that. Further:

While the IOF threatened to flatten the northern Strip, in a criminal attempt at a second Nakba, Gaza's residents have adhered to the land, refusing to succumb to the enemy's psychological warfare with full faith in the resistance. Abu Obeida reassured: "No displacement, except to our occupied lands." Settlers, meanwhile, run between shelters and airports.

The Axis of Resistance led by Palestine is coordinating next steps. From Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, all the way to Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Bahrain: all await the signal, masses promising to enter. The Axis sends messages to the entity of unity and preparedness, whether by rockets from Lebanon and Syria, or the mass gatherings in support of Al-Aqsa. Leading the way to liberation, Gaza, crown of the nation, supported by all its peoples, is not alone. Besieged Gaza, besieges the siege.

Despite the countless massacres, the people in Gaza refuse to back down from resistance. The pain might be great, but the will to fight is greater. The coming hours are decisive.

Our duty now is to follow the resistance with patience. It is a war for survival. Stand behind the resistance, in its people, fighters: have their back and support them. Amplify their voices, their bullets and rockets. Believe in the reality of the dream. Believe that you are capable.

As our heroes have told us before, it is a spider's web, a paper tiger, an illusion of dust. No matter how invincible our enemy claims to be, our eyes see beyond the fractured illusion, beyond the dust.

What is certain is that we have already won. What is certain is that they have lost since the first day they set foot on our lands. The entity's prestige has shattered, has fallen, and it commits war crimes—murdering Gazans and even its own settlers—under US cover as the righteous resistance marches forth honorably.

As our resistance is confident in victory, we too are confident.

What is certain is that they cannot break us. For as long as there's breath in our lungs, a pulse in our hearts, rocks in the hands of our children defying tanks, rockets defying a crumbling and prideful entity deceived by its own arrogance—liberation is closer with every passing second. A martyr is carried on the shoulders of the sons of his land and lulled to sleep by its ululating mothers.

Liberation, undoubtedly, liberation nears.

these statements are beautifully written goddamn.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Photo caption

6 of 17

Palestinians flee from northern Gaza to the south after the Israeli army issued an unprecedented evacuation warning to a population of over 1 million people in northern Gaza and Gaza City to seek refuge in the south ahead of a possible Israeli ground invasion, Friday, Oct. 13, 2023.

Scenes of grief and desperation on war's 7th day | AP News

So far - the only American site I know covering Gaza that doesn't make me want to rend my garments and gouge out my eyes with a grapefruit spoon is AP News

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[–] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The Palestinian health ministry, which is run by Hamas, says 1,900 Palestinians have been killed and 7,696 wounded in Israeli airstrikes on Gaza since this latest conflict began last weekend.

The ministry says the toll includes 370 women and 614 children.

Israel has always maintained it does not intentionally target civilians, and has released footage of what it says are anti-tank missiles being fired from the densely populated Gaza Strip.

40 beheaded babies is supposed to legitimise this

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[–] soy_disantra@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Extreme lib mother told me none of this would have happened if trump wasn't "trading state secrets with iran" wut but she is horrified by what israel is doing in gaza so there's that at least

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The Egyptian Second Field Army has recalled all soldiers on leave, cancelled other leaves, and is undergoing a complete state of readiness.

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Okay Iraq, afghanistan, and now palestine

libs will literally never learn, will they?

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

https://streamable.com/58y22i

Israeli president Isaac Herzog says there are no innocent civilians in gaza

Even huffpo went with that headline

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[–] Sandinband@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If I were being accused of genocide and collective punishment I simply would not announce im cutting off the internet to all of Palestine

[–] theother2020@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I’ve listened to the latest the-podcast twice now and have never heard them be so careful, caveating and couching their points. This is not a criticism. It’s clear why and who they are doing it for.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

Israel's "humane" and "surgical" strikes

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The US has received intelligence that Iranian leaders were surprised by the Hamas attack on Israel, casting doubt on rumors of Iranian involvement.

This was reported by the New York Times, citing officials.

According to intelligence reports, key Iranian officials were unaware of the impending attack.

The United States, Israel and key regional allies found no evidence that Iran directly helped plan the attack, according to U.S. officials and another Middle East official.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (5 children)

lol, I'm watching MR and not an hour after they covered Israel's atrocities and how the US is complicit in aiding them, Emma starts talking about how she's going to vote for Biden even though she lives in NYC - to set an example for people who live in swing states

liberalism.jpg

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[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

The leaders of France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and the United States have released a joint statement regarding Israel. (whitehouse.gov link)

Today, we — President Macron of France, Chancellor Scholz of Germany, Prime Minister Meloni of Italy, Prime Minister Sunak of the United Kingdom, and President Biden of the United States — express our steadfast and united support to the State of Israel, and our unequivocal condemnation of Hamas and its appalling acts of terrorism.

We make clear that the terrorist actions of Hamas have no justification, no legitimacy, and must be universally condemned. There is never any justification for terrorism. In recent days, the world has watched in horror as Hamas terrorists massacred families in their homes, slaughtered over 200 young people enjoying a music festival, and kidnapped elderly women, children, and entire families, who are now being held as hostages.

Our countries will support Israel in its efforts to defend itself and its people against such atrocities. We further emphasize that this is not a moment for any party hostile to Israel to exploit these attacks to seek advantage.

All of us recognize the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people, and support equal measures of justice and freedom for Israelis and Palestinians alike. But make no mistake: Hamas does not represent those aspirations, and it offers nothing for the Palestinian people other than more terror and bloodshed.

Over the coming days, we will remain united and coordinated, together as allies, and as common friends of Israel, to ensure Israel is able to defend itself, and to ultimately set the conditions for a peaceful and integrated Middle East region.

The Empire is all in.

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[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (7 children)
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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just put this ad up on Israel's Craigslist, ready to do my part for the kids.

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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

smuglord you say ukraine opposes palestinian struggle, yet they sold weapons to them. Which way tankies? smuglord

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[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The emergency meeting of the Arab League regarding the situation in Gaza has commenced.

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[–] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

family member i know who believes that hitler didn't kill enough jews in the holocaust (it was the third thing they ever told me) is also an evangelical christian so he is now making a big show of how leftists hate jews but he doesn't and stands with israel hero-pain

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[–] zephyreks@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

Isn't Saturday Shabbat? As in, the day you're not supposed to work or study? That's the day that Hamas was supposedly planning to attack schoolchildren on?

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago

The worst thing about Israeli propaganda is that they're just straight up rebranding Israeli crimes as Palestinian ones.

[–] OrlandoDeCabron@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

6k comments unlimited genocide on the first world

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[–] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I fuckin screamed holy shit they fuckin did it

they launched a full counteroffensive on Israel

From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free!

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