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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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We all know confidently incorrect people. People displaying dunning-kruger. The majority of those people have low education and without someone giving them objectively true feedback on their opinions through their developmental years, they start to believe everything they think is true even without evidence.

Memorizing facts, dates, and formulas aren't what necessarily makes someone intelligent. It's the ability to second guess yourself and have an appropriate amount of confidence relative to your knowledge that is a sign of intelligence.

I could be wrong though.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Education, done correctly, doesn’t teach you what to think but how to think.

[–] Nasan@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Expanding on this, it shows you some basic options/pathways on how to think.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

For me it was more like learning how other people think. Like, I took an accounting class as an elective and while it didn’t make me an accountant but it helped me understand accountants.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Is the Dunning-Krugger effect mainly displayed by low education people?

In my own personal experience pretty much everybody displays that in areas outside their expertise, and I definitely include myself in this.

For example the phenomenon of people offering what basically amounts to Medical advice is incredibly common outside the Medical profession - pretty much every-fucking-body will offer you some suggestion if you say you're feeling like you have a bit of a temperature or something generic like that.

It's also my experience that highly educated people don't have any greater introspection abilities than the rest (i.e. for self-analysis and self-criticism) or empathy (to spot when other people feel that you're talking of your ass).

Maybe it's the environment I grew in, or the degrees I learned and professional occupations I had (so, Physics, Electronics Engineering, Software Engineering) that are too limited to make a judgement, maybe it's me showing my own Dunning-Kruger effect or maybe my observations are actually representative and reasonably correct: whichever way, my 2c is that learned people are no better at the adult mature skills (such as introspection and empathy) than the rest, something which also matches with my experience that the Education System (at least were I studied, Portugal of the 80s and 90s) doesn't at all teach those personal skills.

So IMHO, your assumption that the majority of those people have low education is probably incorrect, unless you're anchoring that on the statistic that most human beings on Planet Earth have low education, in which case they're certainly the majority of the confidently incorrect even if they're no more likely to be so than the rest simply because there's more of them than of the rest.

PS: Also note that amongst highly educated people there are people from different areas which emphasize different modes of thinking. My impression is that whilst STEM areas tend to emphasize analytical thinking, objectivity, assumption validation and precision, other areas actually require people to in many ways have a different relationship with objective reality (basically anything in which you're supposed to persuade others).

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

different relationship with objective reality

That's a very diplomatic way to describe politicians and business professionals

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

No, education gives you a good faith foundation so your neural connections are well groomed and not messy. Arguing in good faith is the basis for what we consider a fact is, and our sciences and legal systems. It's the basis of progress. It also stops you from being bamboozled, even by yourself, and prevents delusional thinking.

And in terms of IQ, yes, remembering facts DOES make an IQ score go up significantly.

Curiosity and openmindedness are related to intelligence, along with resiliency.

[–] vane@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Education packs you with group of people so your instinct wants you to live in community and puts a boss ( teacher ) above you, because they want you to become a factory worker in capitalistic world. Poor animals are we.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Education existed before capitalism. Or are you going to tell me that Socrates was an industrial shill?

[–] vane@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am sorry I didn't know that Socrates invented packing couple hundred of people in the same building to teach them something.

[–] loldog191@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

i think you have a narrow view of what education is. this is subjective but my view of education is that it's an emergent property; as long as there's different individuals that know different skills, natural networks will form of people teaching to anyone that wants to learn.

whether it's institutions with professors teaching about quantum physics and brain surgery, to herds of dinosaurs teaching groups of young their migration paths and dangers to avoid; it's all within my personal concept of what education is

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 77 points 1 week ago (23 children)

Memorizing data doesn't make one smarter... but learning concepts absolutely does.

The classic, "we'll never need this in adult life" is math like Pythagoras' theorem, or factoring binomial equations (remember FOIL?). We don't learn that math because it's practical for adult life... we learn that math so that grown ass adults don't think someone using algebra is performing black magic.

Seems silly... but it's just like how many folks never learned past middle school biology and now think XX&XY are the only chromosomal possibilities.

[–] TheReanuKeeves@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

How about we meet in the middle and say "learning the concept that you might be wrong will help your intelligence"?

My mother who "allegedly" graduated high school has more confidence than anyone I know and will say things like "you can't divide a small number by a bigger number" or "temperatures don't have decimals, only full numbers". Then as you stare at her blankly trying to figure out if she's joking or not, she'll tell you you're clearly not very smart if you don't know that

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

IMO you're just describing a closed mind versus an open mind. Learning the concept that you might be wrong is fundamental to having an open mind.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Funny enough, it was an agricultural class where the utility of the quadratic equation hit me. Professor didn't even call it that, but we used it to calculate maximum efficiency in fertilizer spread.

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[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago (9 children)

remember FOIL?

A lot of adults don't, then proceed to argue about order of operations, having forgotten that Brackets have to be all expanded out before doing anything else at all.

We don’t learn that math because it’s practical for adult life

Yes we do. I use Maths every day, quite separate to the fact I teach it.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I am a flight instructor. I had to study the fundamentals of instruction to earn that title, so I believe I can speak with some authority on this subject.

When discussing facts, figures and such, we consider four levels of learning. The easiest, fastest and most useless is rote memorization. Rote memorization is the ability to simply parrot a learned phrase. This is fast and easy to achieve, and fast and easy to test for, so it's what schools are highly geared toward doing.

An example from flight school: A small child, a parrot, and some Barbie dolls could be taught that "convective" means thunderstorms. When a meteorologist says the word "convective" it's basically a euphemism for thunderstorms. You've probably already memorized this by rote. You would correctly answer this question on the knowledge test:

Which weather phenomenon is a result of convective activity?

A. Upslope Fog

B. Thunderstorms

C. Stratus Clouds

Okay, what should a pilot do about thunderstorms? Are they bad? What about a thunderstorm is bad? A student who can answer those questions, who can explain that thunderstorms contain strong turbulence and winds that can break the airplane or throw it out of control have reached the Understanding level.

Problem: Sitting in the classroom talking about something is NOT flying a plane. I've had students who can explain why thunderstorms are dangerous fly right toward an anvil-shaped cloud without a care in the world, because they didn't recognize a thunderstorm when they saw one. Living in a forest, people around here don't get a good look at them from the side; the sky just turns grey and it rains a lot and there's bright flashes and booming noises. If you can get a good look at one, it's a tremendously tall cloud that flattens out way up high and tends to have a bit that sticks out like the horn on an anvil. Even in the clear air under that horn you'll get severe turbulence. A student that can identify a thunderstorm and steers to avoid it can Apply their knowledge, and have thus reached the Application level.

It's a sign that you're ready for your checkride if, upon getting a weather briefing that includes convective activity, the student makes wise command decisions to either reschedule the flight for a day of safer weather, or for isolated storms plots a route that steers to the safe side of the weather and plans for contingencies such as turning back or diverting to alternates. A student that alters his navigational choices based on weather forecasts has reached the correlation level.

It's difficult to go beyond the understanding level in a classroom with textbooks and paper tests, which is too much of what K-12 and college is like.

[–] nuggie_ss@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago

I agree, and hopefully this will help put things into perspective.

Theory is not a substitute for experience.

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think part of intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns that can be abstracted and generalized, and memorizing data is just one means of making the data available to your brain for pattern recognition. Like, if you come up with a possible theory, the quickest way to test it is to see if anything you already know would invalidate it; so the more you know, the more quickly you can sift through possible theories.

So, yeah—education reminds you that you might be wrong, while memorizing things gives you a tool to prove yourself wrong.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

People in this thread have a hard time understanding what intelligence denotes.

Hint: it's not success or being smart.

[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yet again, we have difficulty having shared definitions of the most basic words.

We really need to address this some day. So much conflict will go away once we stop arguing about the definitions of words.

Maybe words are too imprecise, and we need something else. But on the other hand, we have precise words for lots of things. But it’s considered elitist or whatever to use them. “$10 words” are often just very precise and replace a bunch of other words in a sentence.

[–] kelpie_returns@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Without both perfect symbols and perfectly understanding wielders of those symbols, there is no such thing as perfect communication.

To me, this unfortunately means that your dream will forever remain a dream because there is no such thing as perfection in any field. People will always make associations with words that were not initially intended to be made with those words, meaning that, even if we correctly define something and generally agree on that definition, through culture and more specific types of interaction with symbolic phenomenon, those true meanings will all always be open to alteration and redefinition. Making words more precise does not change the user-end of this phenomenon, meaning that no amount of accuracy will be enough to correct for human blunder and ignorance. I dont think there is a proper way to fix this problem :(

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Definition of smart

Cambridge:

intelligent, or able to think quickly or intelligently in difficult situations:

Mirriam-Webster:

1: having or showing a high degree of mental ability : intelligent, bright

Oxford:

intelligent

Could you share your definition that somehow contradicts all the major dictionaries?

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[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A healthy level of skepticism, both of other people's ideas and of one's own, is a sign of great intelligence.

[–] Reyali@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately this also gets abused by some people who believe they have a healthy level of skepticism, but actually are way off the deep end. Like anti-vaxxers, flat-Earthers, and other anti-science people.

So “healthy” in this context shouldn’t be defined by the individual.

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[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Intelligence is such an elusive concept, but here goes anyway…

Knowing stuff makes you knowledgeable. You’re either born intelligent, stupid or somewhere in between. No amount of studying will ever change that, unless studying also involves copious amounts of alcohol. In that case, you’ll only get dumber.

Anyway, studying gives you information and tools, and what you’re talking about is a bit of both. If you go through a training system like that, you’ll be equipped to process and evaluate information, but none of that changes how intelligent you are. Sure, you can sound really smart to other people by using fancy terms and explaining complicated things. Those words alone don’t make you intelligent. Having the innate ability to understand that level of information does.

I’m sure there are really smart people living in rural parts of India where they don’t learn to read or even count very far, but they can do really clever stuff when hunting birds or weaving baskets. Even though they didn’t receive much education beyond what they learned from the local villagers they can still be intelligent. If they were born in a wealthy family in UK, these people would probably go to Oxford and graduate with a PhD in no time.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So here's how I liken education. I've been an instructor at the Naval Engineering School so have a bit of experience in the subject.

First thing to learn is "facts" by rote memorization and then parrot it back. If you can do that you have learned something which is not unimportant and is an important base for the next step.

Then you learn how to apply those facts to help you in a specific set of situations. This is a very small hop above the previous step, but an important one, as now you know how to solve a narrow set of problems in a specific set of circumstances.

Unfortunately, this is where a lot of education ends because this is the easiest level to test. To go beyond this, you as an instructor must inspire the students.

The third level is when you take the facts you know and the situations to apply them and start modifying them to fit new novel situations. This now requires active thinking on the part of the student and will likely result in a lot of mistakes and suffering but this is where the instructor can gently guide them along and nurture their curiosity and keep their spirits up when they fail.

Next level is an important one, when the student starts to ask, "why does this work this way in this situation and this way in this situation"? That is the start of true wisdom.

And the final level of education is when you go back and try to teach the subject. That is when you truly open yourself up to learning.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Memorization have importance. We, as a species, are as intelligent as primitive cavemen. Our brains haven't changed that much since those times.

What allows us to be different, to have a prosper civilization, is the information we have stored. Much of that information is stored in our brains.

Critical thinking is of great importance. Of course. But let's not dismiss the ability to store that critical information.

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