If we delete and hide the evidence does it really exist?
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I was gonna day, this was something they already tried in his first term during covid.
The lack of serious backlash, outrage, or even general coverage of the insanity and facism that's coming out of the current administration by the media is pretty concerning.
It feels like everyone is just running with it, and I have a hard time beleiving that many people are OK with all of this.
I feel exactly the same. When TACO says he's going to lower drug prices 1200% and nobody pushes back or he threatens a news agency and they just say ok. Like fitting people for just saying what Kirk said, while he was celebrated for it just blows me away. No fight at all, just rolling over so easy. Only Harvard seemed to put up a fight.
I feel ya, you keep thinking that there is no way this is real, and yet it is
I have no words honestly. Ever since the Kirk shooting, things are spiralling further down and getting to a point of no return. I think war is going to erupt soon between fascist far-right groups and everyone else. Not just in the U.S., but in Canada, too.
I'm afraid you might be right. Although I think that some specificities of canadian culture might help us or at least slow down those changes.
The right wing are bad people and we need to stop pretending it's just a difference of opinion. They in several fundamental ways suck.
And yet everyone's all like "oh Goebbels was a gifted marketer and father we can't say mean things". Fuck 'em. They can choose to stop being shit any time they want. Until then, they deserve nothing but scorn.
I can accept that this current government in the USA is packed with the absolute most morally bankrupt people in America, but I just can’t conceive of the idea that 52% of Americans are the same.
What’s that in adults like 110 million? I’m not sure how many kids they have over there.
There just isn’t any chance that all those people are monsters too and you ain’t had a civil war. It seems more likely that most Americans have been propagandised by the media and they just only see what they want to see. I doubt every republican voter is watching the stuff we see as let’s be frank we’re likely all terminally online and more connected than they’re and it ain’t even my county.
Perhaps they only ever interact with other republicans cause surely if they hated the democrats that much then there would be shootings in Walmart everyday.
As say this as in the UK I know people that believe some crazy stuff about illegal immigrants (this term sucks and is a non issue) which has them wanting to kick them out and stuff but these people are not like that and get on with people from other countries but right now they’re blinded by the complete bombardment of that kind of content.
Maybe I’m naive, but I feel unlikely as I’m usually incredibly cynical.
Perhaps they only ever interact with other republicans cause surely if they hated the democrats that much then there would be shootings in Walmart everyday.
I'm told there were about 500 mass shootings (4 or more people) last year. So we're pretty close.
And I don't think it's 52%. A lot of people don't vote or update their voter records. But there does seem to be a frothy core that's getting high on hating people.
I think conservatives are more insular, too. If you live in a city and actually see and interact with other kinds of people, its harder to hate them as monsters.
It's more like 1/3 because 1/3 of Americans don't vote. Also, that 1/3 that votes Republican is the most politically uninformed 1/3. And many of them don't actually know what the people they vote for believe, they just vote R because they always have.
I tried to find a study I read a year or two ago about how informed voters were. It kind of shocked me that it was really close between the Rs and the Ds. Neither voter was particularly well-informed, just tribal.
I'd like to see that study, it does not match my personal experience.
there is no reason to give the majority of those people the benefit of the doubt. Humans can have large groups with oppressive opinions. A large segment of Germans supported the nazi's, a large section of Israel thinks gaza isn't being destroyed harshly enough and a large sections of americans currently believe in massive oppression.
Goebbels was a great father, how dare you?
How many fathers can claim they killed their own children because he was a little bitch?
He couldn't stand to spend a day in the afterlife without his children with him. Doesn't his love just bring a tear to your eye?
If more fascists in this country thought the way Goebbels did, we'd have less fascists in this country.
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Own it you fucking twats.
This is being done by the "facts don't care about your feelings" people?
Quintez Brown attempted to kill Democratic Mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, Craig Greenberg, in February 2022. Brown was motivated by Black nationalism, pan-Africanism and revolutionary socialism.
I dunno, to me revolutionary socialism is something I equate with "the left".
Still, 1 out of 30 ain't bad.
Yeah:
"The only perpetrator arguably from the Left is Black nationalist Quintez Brown."
So they did acknowledge it, but kind of gave it a pass because he wasn't "affiliated with the Democratic Party or any other mainstream reformist, progressive or leftist organisation".
I think it's still a bit up in the air about whether Tyler Robinson had a consistent ideology. He is 22, an age where political leanings can be all over the place and evolve pretty rapidly. Whatever the case, it seems he operated alone. So we can consider how much online rhetoric influenced him one way or another, but it doesn't seem like there was any organizational pressure or even a forum that had a chance to talk him into or out of his plan.
The article does make a broader point well supported by data, broadly speaking the right has gotten more violent and we don't see a similar pattern on the left. No matter which way Tyler lands or just attributed to less ostensibly political ideology, I think the trend is still valid. It's somewhat less dangerous if they can definitively establish him as a Fuentes like, but I fear he might be credibly "grown out of it".
I also think we can't overlook his upbringing. Growing up in a conservative household and raised to use guns from a young age, his decision to kill Charlie Kirk stems from that upbringing. Even if his politics happened to deviate from that of his parents, which is still in the realm of speculation right now, he was only using the tools and the methodology that he was given.
No doubt left-wing terrorism has happened. Just much less frequent and deadly.
Their feelings don’t care about the facts
Here is an archive of the DOJ site in question. They had to be sure they took it down before Vance hopped on Kirk’s nazi podcast to spout lies claiming the opposite of objective reality.
Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.[2] A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic-related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.[3]
That's so perfectly typicsl for the right.
It's really very simple - if the evidence shows that one of their beliefs is wrong, then their principles dictate that they have no choice but to... bury the evidence.
Wow, what fragile egos.
Someone keyed my minivan over the weekend, probably because of some pro-trans/science stickers. Luckily the paint is not a concern of mine (it had rattle-canned sections when I bought it, I knew what I was getting), but still. I pointed it out to my wife, she just quipped "and they call us snowflakes 😂". God I love that woman.
All of this shit makes me want to play dirty now. Preach hate, get hate; and all that.
I've been simmering on some 'radical left-wing' grafitti such as;
Be Kind
Build Community
Don't Hate
Love Thy Neighbor
But I don't want to get black bagged for spreading such subversive rhetoric.
I would straight up start busting windows out of any vehicle with trump stickers. But I have a family who needs fed and housed, so I don't.
Yet.
"don't hate" seems like an extremely radical message. I hate lots of things, and I think it is right to hate those things.
I hate it when Nazis gain power. I hate it when children are molested. I hate injustice. Don't you?
And how productive has that hate been for you? Has your hate fixed anything?
I was molested as a teen. If you walked up to me and asked me “do you hate that guy” I’d be very confused. I’d say that’s very meaningless question.
You think he cares if I hate him or not? I don’t waste my time hating bad people. It doesn’t solve the problem. Use your energy more wisely.
Something I say a lot “I never solved a problem by being pissed off.”
Just my opinion on tho. You do you.
I agree that there are many unproductive forms of hate. I'm not advocating for you to hate the person that hurt you.
But hate has been productive for me. With our world in decline, it is so easy to get depressed and nihilistic, sometimes I have no hope. Hate is a strong motivator to do something positive for the world.
I can’t argue with that. I find anger and hatred exhausting.
Everybody is different though. If it motivates you I have no business judging.
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Honestly, it is the behavior of the righwing that is making me edge towards being a militant leftist. If they are going to lie and persecute the innocent, at what point should they be shielded by civility?
I think when the left's emotional dam breaks, the conservatives would have to face the consequences for their actions.
The study showed far right extremists had 5x as many attacks since 1990
Inconvenient truth.
That book will probably be banned soon and the author will be arrested and sent to a reeducation camp together with all the other liberal disruptors.
Wrigley Institute of Gum Studies vibes
usa is beyond discourse and electoralism pulling it out of this fascist tailspin, the fascists are just going to remove everything they don't like because they control the empire
That study was flawed because it didn't show the correct result.
Of course it was.
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