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[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 1 points 5 minutes ago (1 children)

Sounds like a scam.

Anyway, I don't think we should tolerate red states letting kids grow up hungry or get bullied to death.

That's what federation was for.

[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 1 points 2 minutes ago

NGL, everyone here who is ready to throw the browns, gays, and neurospicies, and 70% bottom earning sapiens from half of u.s. states under the bus instead of slaying the gerrymander that's choking everyone to death...?

Idk. Sounds kind of like "If I sacrifice the other family to the face eating jaguar the face eating jaguar won't eat my face and my family next month."

Sounds too familiar. We all know how that goes.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

As much as many of us would welcome it, the reality is that the new MAGA country would declare war on us immediately.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 4 points 43 minutes ago

Lol, just using the same language where they justify bombing any other country. We have to kill them so they can have our freedoms.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 6 points 2 hours ago

Lol sure

As a show of good faith, call back ICE from all the blue states and never send them back

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that's such a bad idea. The richest states are blue, the poorest states are red. The entire country is a failed state already, might be good to start with a clean slate. And doing that without the need of a bloody revolution sounds good to me.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

The richest states are blue, the poorest states are red.

But the richest parts of the bluest states are bankrolling this administration. California's Silicon Valley is awash in fascism. New York's Staten Island has an enormous base of Trump support. Washington's Amazon, Microsoft, and Beoing C-levels are all in the tank for this administration.

Also, there are plenty of wealthy red states - Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Georgia are all in the top 10 by GDP. There are plenty of poor communities in these big red states that are disproportionately liberal.

There are plenty of purple states that can't be divided by trivially. What do you do with a Pennsylvania or Virginia or Wisconsin, with a divided government and regular partisan swing?

The entire country is a failed state already, might be good to start with a clean slate

This wouldn't be any kind of clean slate. Everyone would still be carrying their political baggage with them.

And much of the economy of these states is interdependent. Water rights from the Mississippi and Colorado run through divided turf. California and New York both need access to ports along the Gulf Coast to operate solvently. "Fly Over" states like Iowa and Nebraska produce giant food surpluses. We still need all our transcontinental rail networks, highways, and airlines to function as state level economies.

This isn't a baby you can just split down the middle

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Anyone under the delusion that splitting a country can be peaceful should research any split since the idea of nationalism took hold. India and Pakistan are still the odds on favorite to kill us all with a nuclear winter.

[–] survirtual@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

This reminds me of the spike in cellular biophoton emissions during mitosis.

Biophoton emissions, basically a faint glow of light emitted by living cells due to metabolic processes, increase sharply at the moment a cell replicates into two cells. It appears as a flash if observing these emissions.

There is a lot to learn about our ideal society by observing our biological processes. The human body is a good example of a functioning mass-scale social substrate. The representative sample that guides the body is billions of neurons. Considering a human body has around 37 trillion cells, and roughly 170 billion brain cells (86 billion neurons + 85 billion non-neural brain cells), that gives us around a 200:1 representative sample. For every 200 cells, there is 1 representative.

Fascinating, isn't it? Dunbar's number states humans can only keep track of a limited number of relationships. That number is a cognitive limit of around 150 stable relationships that we can keep track of. The limit's range has been stretched to 100 - 250 stable relationships.

In other words...the ratio of brain cells to other cells is nearly the same as Dunbar's number. It is reasonable to conclude, then, for a functioning society (because human bodies are far more functional than our planetary society), we need to have a ratio limit on representation. That limit is 200:1. For every 200 people, we need 1 representative.

For the US, for example, with 347 million people, a stable government would need 1.7 million representatives. Sounds crazy, doesn't it, compared to the ass backwards mechanism at play now? But think about it for a bit, and you will find why it is so stable.

That is too many people for an elite to control. It is too many to be corrupted. It adds redundancy. It adds direct accountability, each rep would have a personal relationship with their people, because it is within the Dunbar limit of what they can keep track of.

Something to think about.

States would have to be split as well, and random chunks of states. And soon as anyone says, "how do we split up the national debt" people would say huh, impossible to split.

[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not aware of any major strife between Czechia and Slovakia. I may have missed it. It would obviously be harder in the US, where the divide is more urban vs. rural than regional, but I wouldn’t say it’s never been done.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I’m not aware of any major strife between Czechia and Slovakia

Czechoslovakia was a combination of two historically distinct ethnic groups, so there was relatively little "sorting" during the partisan in the wake of the USSR's collapse.

Compared to the break up of Yugoslavia or the "Two State Solution" in Israel, it was utopian. But that's a hold over of the pre-WWs ethnic make up of these regions. You don't have anything like this in the much more internally diverse and mixed populations of the US.

Furthermore, over the last five years, the high rate of undocumented immigration and smuggling has lead to Czechnia tightening its border. We may see a rise in ethnic nationalism create friction in the future.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Split into the conservative leecher states and the progressive earner states? How will they finance their new conservative utopia? Hate only feeds you that long...

[–] nanoswarm9k@lemmus.org 1 points 1 minute ago

slavery, then war, more enslaving, more war. repeat.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Nah. I personally am enjoying watching the Republican farmers suffer. It is cathartic to see them cry. It is a sliver of joy in my heart to watch them beg.

[–] renrenPDX@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

As neat as it sounds, the logistics would be a nightmare. Remember, Republicans don't follow the rules, so encouraging Democrats to leave the south is easier than having Republicans leave the west coast for example. They want things to affect us, not them.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

You know, if you guys stop being so goddamned violent, everyone would be very safe.

JFC, this isn't rocket science.

[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Oh, then they could have a real war instead of a civil war, diabolical.

[–] lemmylump@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

That cunt gives Sasquatches a bad name.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

People in economically productive cities: "does this mean we can do a gun control?"

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 hours ago

And stop sending our tax revenue to unappreciative red states who just take take take, and then whine about it while offering nothing of value.

If the US balkanized along party lines, it wouldn't even be months before they revert to a scavenger society carrying out raids on border towns, and begging bleeding hearts in blue cities for charity.

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

She's right. It's not safe. Good thing her side gets all the deep red, gun-loving terrorists who've committed all of the recent atrocities. I'm sure her new country will be really safe with all those people in it.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 20 points 12 hours ago

The USA is currently united in the same way the DPRK is democratic, and Nazi’s are socialist.

[–] lmagitem@lemmy.zip 19 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Well, looks like Putin's 4D chess worked even better than he could have anticipated. The US want to dissolve themselves now. Crazy how the world changed in just 10 years.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

It’s not at all crazy- it’s been happening for two generations in slow motion with warning signs along the way. Literally everyone watching has been telling you you have been on this exact path for about 30 years.

You responded with “shut up, you’re America’s hat,” renamed french fries, and gradually got shittier from there.

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[–] handsoffmydata@lemmy.zip 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Does this mean Dixie goes its own way with a shiny new government? Hmm.

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[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

In that the two biggest calls for a split are from Elon and this hag, I'm going to say it's not in our best interests and work against it.

[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I like the idea of red and blue splitting up. Let's see how long those shit holes take to fester and rot from within. Red states are nothing but a drain. Fuck em.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

Red states already suck and Texas oil isn’t about to solve that problem for the rest of them. They’d crumble immediately.

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[–] CaptainBlinky@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I just don't understand how she sees this happening. We get the cities and they get the farms? She's such an idiot.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

We get the healthcare, they got the food. We got the jobs, they got the ... food. We got the infrastructure, they got... hey guys you need to diversify here, we don't do trading imbalances and you're going to need MRIs

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Me and the Union guys can renovate that office building into apartments, with a hydroponics farm in the basement, space for a doctor's office, maybe a makerspace and a few resident-centric server racks.

They've got... Dustbowls incoming and ammo stockpikes that may or may not wither during one hunting season or another.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

Those hateful, violent psychos would probably blow that shit up just to make sure nobody has it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Can't trade food for proper education or healthcare if everyone with a brain refuses to set foot in your god forsaken territory

Their large scale public infrastructure would break down within months unless they figure out that they need taxes to raise revenue to accomplish anything.

Jobs will inevitably pay more in more left leaning areas so there will be no work besides picking vegetables for $7/hr

[–] Hector@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Picking veggies pays way less than 7, it is piecework and it is less than a pittance.

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[–] josefo@leminal.space 4 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Called this reaction from MTG, she's afraid the president kills her, like he did with Kirk.

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[–] CatpainTypo@lemmy.world 58 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Split up the USA… who would benefit from that most? Ah yes Russia and China. As if any more proof that the US government are assets.

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 66 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

"it's not safe for anyone"...... Because you're actively making it that way, Margarine Thermometer Greed. Jfc conservatives are so fucking stupid and disingenuous. Repeated school shootings aren't a major issue, but as soon as the bullets start landing on them, the pearls get clutched. It's so transparent and pathetic.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 14 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Do it.

Blue states can grab the popcorn and watch red states cannibalize themselves.

But conservatives will use the federal government to go to war to keep the blue states....because they need us.

We don't need them.

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