He (Kirk) is just not that important of an individual to merit this kind of national response. It’s not on the level of the September 11 attacks. It’s simply not. And, I would argue it further divides Americans than unites us.
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He wasn't a politician, head of state, particularly well known, or unanimously loved person. The only person he represented was himself. Objectively speaking, There's no reason to lower the flag for him.
Honestly, lowering the flag for him cheapens lowering the flag altogether.
It just doesn’t mean what it used to. This is when it changed.
It's insulting. Regardless of your feelings on Kirk, this was hardly an attack on the whole of America. It was yet another school shooting. We have quite a few of those.
Arguably, a school shooting with only one victim is progress? I didn't quickly find statistics on average deaths per incident, but did see that there is over 1 incident per week average since 2021.
Not every victim of a shooting dies from the injuries. I would argue one whole death is in the realm of shooting event deaths even with multiple victims.
Speaking of September 11, remember that Donald's response to the attacks, on the day they happened, was to do an interview where he bragged about how they made a building of his the tallest in the neighborhood. And as always with him, it was a lie as there were several taller buildings nearby.
That's really gross. I had no idea he was so callous.
I sorta love it. Everyone who treats him with empathy is basically shitting over everything he said and stood for. Its an awesome catch 22.
everything he said and stood for
Charlie Kirk stood for nothing besides Charlie Kirk. Kirk was a lying grifter. He would have loved everyone treating him with empathy, because he didn't ever actually care about empathy generally; he cared about hurting other people to his own benefit, and that meant eliminating empathy towards them.
Well I mean taking his words at face value. Either you should shrug your shoulders and say thats what he gets and his kids have learned something. That would be following the charlie kirk preaching. Or you say its horrible and express feelings he would deride for anyone else. So charlie kirk would not be empathetic to charlie kirk if he was not charlie kirk.
I know exactly what you mean. I just don't want people to lose sight of the fact that Charlie Kirk had no actual principles in any capacity. He said and did whatever helped him in that specific moment.
Yeah I just bring it up because it makes me feel a bit better to see the lowered flags and such. Its like they are giving him the middle finger.
I say something about Charlie every time I see one. It's become a game for my friend group.
They aren't kind things, but that's only because he wasn't a kind man.
At first I thought you were referring to the Mayor. After reading the article, and re-reading your comment, I now get you were talking about Kirk. Suffice it to say, I was confused. 😅
I edited my comment to enhance clarity without changing the meaning.
Most everyone, when he was shot, was like: "Kirk who?"
He's just a podcaster with some followers.
I just don't get how this jamoke is more important than Carter? Or Melissa Hortman, FFS?
In such a perspective everybody is educated to become a hero. In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Falangists was Viva la Muerte (in English it should be translated as “Long Live Death!”). In non-fascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.
- Umberto Eco’s Ur-Fascism, feature 11 of fascism
He was a general of the fascist vanguard and died while fighting. Therefore he is a hero and a martyr. Hortman and Carter were enemies of the party, and therefore deserving of the celebration and laughter at their deaths.
Hypocrisy and double standards are hallmarks of rightists.
He was a state-supported Christofascist propagandist. He was important because he amplified the white nationalist hatred MAGA wants.
Or the kid that died due to a school shooting that happened on the same day.
One good thing that comes with the half mast flags is that it reminded me every time I saw them that Kirk was dead and it made me happy
And I'd bet that before this many of these people only knew Charlie Kirk as a name in passing if at all, probably couldn't tell you where he stood on topics. But he's become a convenient martyr for MAGA, so therefore this is a hill the want to fight on. If we had anyone important to society in any way be laid in state at the Capital or flag lowered, it would be a daily thing with a backlog and the flag would stay down. Charlie wasn't even that level of important, he was one of many of the current Gish galloping con men pushing an agenda for money, celeb status, and maybe power if they were good enough.
Thanks for clarifying, glad hear it's the one in my state, no need to lower the flag for fascists
I hate Illinois Nazis