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Christ on a cracker, the context makes it even worse!
[30 comments in this is probably not an original comment anymore, but I had to write it out]
FWIW, I work with children, and I see every day that empathy is a learned skill. Usually learned at the same time they learn socialising with other kids. This person was probably failed by all adults around him in childhood. By the system. But that doesn't excuse going on social media and whipping the masses into a hateful frenzy.
Isn't Christ THE cracker? Wouldn't Christ on a cracker be two crackers?
I found Cheesus Christ on a Cracker
Damn, somehow it's even worse with the full context.
Wait till you see the one about gun deaths and he reduces human life down to a statistic. As america spirals into authoritarianism with no recourse from the 2nd amendment defenders. At least cars do what they purport to do.
Everyday I consent to get in my car. I do not consent, to say, getting shot in a public location, like maybe, a university campus.
Everyday I consent to get in my car. I do not consent, to say, getting shot in a public location
I get that your main point is to debunk this guy's defence of guns, and that's a worthy goal, but this is motornormative bullshit. Cars kill thousands of people who gave no such consent, like pedestrians and cyclists. The analogy doesn't even line up properly. A more apt analogy would be to compare consenting to carrying a gun yourself being equivalent of consenting to get in your car.
And even that implies that you really did give full and uncoerced consent with viable alternative options. Which, if you live in a typical car-dependent American (or Canadian, Australian, etc.) city, you did not. Because your city lacks adequate public transport options, lacks safe cycling infrastructure, and things are too far apart to walk in a reasonable time. !fuckcars@lemmy.world
Guns are also bad and anyone who thinks America doesn't need radical change in gun culture and gun laws is fucking insane. But don't let that fact be a reason to also defend motornormativity.
Wow, all those armed guards are really good at hiding because I never see them. I feel much safer now
Sorry to nitpick, but technically not a psychopath but a sociopath.
A psychopath recognizes that things like empathy and integrity and morality exist, and just doesn't care. A sociopath (like, by his own admission, both Kirk and the linked poster) doesn't even understand what they are or believe that they exist.
Aside from that - yes - it's deliciously ironic that the linked poster apparently sincerely believes that the context somehow makes it better, rather than, as it actually does, simply driving home the point that Kirk was a sociopath.
Im not convinced he didnt know empathy existed. I believe he uses these weak cliches as a piffy jumping off point while "debating." Sure, no one can feel the exact same way as someone but thats not what empathy means. I believe Charlie knew that but instead of conceding the point he would use appeals like this to get suggestable people to deny the reality of empathy.
He demonstrates this by admiting he knows the meaning of the word sympathy and how it is different from empathy.
Just fyi, I think you might mean “pithy” unless you were going for an onomatopoeia
Mmm... yeah. I think you have a point here.
And on reflection, I don't know what possessed me to believe that Kirk was honestly relating his view on the matter.
Well sociopath or psychopath, we can both agree he was not mentally well.
Exactly. The whole "just debating" thing is a load of wank. It's just a way to frame manipulative ideological recruitment.
Why was he going to universities to "just debate" ? Obviously, the purpose was to recruit supporters for his kooky agenda.
Psychopaths are perfectly capable of not knowing empathy is real, especially as they have never felt it. Sociopaths lack the kind of impulse control that Kirk regularly demonstrated and he also had a massive ego and an 'im Better than you' mentality that fits psychopathy much more than sociopathy. Kirk was more than likely a psychopath or extreme narcissist.
Tell me you've never looked up these two words before without telling me bruh wtf, they aren't synonyms, they mean different things lmfao rest in dirt.
Empathy means you realise that you are fundamentally the same as someone else, sympathy comes from a position of power. It's a performance where you are pretending that you are feeling something so you don't appear as a psychopath.
I think sympathy can be something you can try and understand but not fully grasp. I can TRY and understand why women are emotional during menstruation, but will I ever KNOW what that feels like? No I won't.
Can you really not see what it's like? When I see how someone is reacting, I can understand and almost feel what they are experiencing, even if I don't experience it myself. Humans are pretty standard and come with common emotions and feelings.
Well, maybe it's my education on the subject. A women's hormonal cycle is completely different than a male's. Males have a 24 hour cycle and women can fluctuate depending on their cycle. So just with that alone I know their emotional system is run on a different hardware. I am not sure how I can relate much.
I have two sisters and listened, but do I know what it's like to feel like that? Nope.
Its not a performance.... its a neurological function of your brain.
If you don't have empathy, I don't see how it's possible to have genuine sympathy.
Ok. Hear me out.
We lock the doors of cpac after lacing the water with mdma.
Afterwards we let them out. Those that survived will know empathy, the rest … well good riddance I suppose.
I guarantee he isn't feeling anything now.
Did he ever?
Pretty sure he felt a split second of surprise.
that second half is a philosophy of mind and is nontrivial. But I'm sure there is evidence out there of people geniunely experiencing pain or negative emotion when contronted with expressions of the negative emotions / pain
This is where I get to say “Fuck your feelings”