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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 9 points 20 hours ago

AS someone Coming from a farm: Leave us the fuck alone with unskilled workers.

Modern farms are usually optimised to minimise the need for human workers. This means, that those that are needed need certain skills. A lot of the required skills can not be learned in a single year just from working on a farm. The only farming sector that still heavily relies on human workers are farms that produce vegetables. Always having to retrain your entire workforce every single year will cause problems and is not worth it for a lot of farms.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And they and their rich friends will find a way to pay their way out of it

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

They’ll each own one of the farms, and claim that means they work there every day already.

[–] JangleJack@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That picture looks like a tobacco field, which is a dangerous crop to pick. Americans would quit immediately if forced to pick their own.

[–] HiddenLychee@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Supposedly an illness called Green Tobacco Sickness can occur from absorbing nicotine in the tobacco leaves along with heat injuries from working in the fields

https://www.osha.gov/green-tobacco-sickness

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

As somebody that worked in a cornfield for minimum wage, it sucks. Your feet get heavy with mud, it's hot, the leaves give you "papercuts". One summer is enough to make you never want to do it again.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I arguably hate Maoism the most of all popular authoritarian left ideologies. So it makes sense to me that irredeemably evil and stupid conservatives and fascists would unconsciously like it's policies.

[–] CriticalThought@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Under this plan, would the farms be nationalized, or would people be forced to work for the profit of private farm owners?

[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 30 points 1 day ago

You already know

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Free labor.

Gavin McInnes even said teenagers should be primarily used for this. This will also be the case when you realize how much child labor laws are being removed by Republicans.

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[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 26 points 1 day ago

All "right wing" farmers parties are just agrarian socialists with racism and sexism.

[–] psoul@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This but for the police force.

Turn the police into something of a militia, 80% made of constituents from that jurisdiction, picked at random à la jury duty (exemptions apply)

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 20 hours ago

As a European I think it's a great idea for USA to enter your proposed perpetual state of civil war

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's an interesting idea, but a proper police force should consist of trained and capable people (unlike the current states one!), of which random selection will necessarily create it so that many are not.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is a terrible idea. You already see what happens when they’re “trained”.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Real farmer here(who has never voted red). I don't trust the average American not to completely fuck up any harvest and not to bitch constantly about the heat or dirt. It's bad enough hearing people who work in AC complain about the heat to me.

[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I worked on an assembly line making CV joints. The inner and outer races had a numbering system based on measured size. The outer races were honed, and there would be size variations we would have to keep adjusting for. 4 inners go with 4 outers, 5 inners with 5 outers and so on. 4 was the most common.

One shift, on a Saturday, one of the workers used 4s for everything. Some were failing, inspection at the end of the line, but a lot didn't. Well, then the 4s ran out. Since that is the most common size, we were down. She intentionally ran us out of parts by building things wrong, potentially making scrap or defective drive train parts because she didn't want to work on Saturday.

Her job, that she applied for and took, knowing there are times when would have to work weekends. A job with a good union and Healthcare.

I can only imagine the kind of employees you'd get by forcing them to work the fields, for I'm going to guess way less than UAW wages. In the sun. I think you'd see a lot of sabotaged equipment or crops.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago

I spent my teens working on farms (labour intensive vegetables) and can confirm. Every spring we’d have a few crew from last year, and new ones; even in gorgeous spring weather people would last a couple days before quitting. And it’s not difficult, but it requires attention to detail, which some people either don’t have or don’t care to have.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

Nationalized industry that always produces food at cost and pays all of its workers well and fairly would be a great idea so long as the people setting it up aren't completely untrustworthy fucks.

Oh wait

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 184 points 2 days ago (4 children)

100% guarantee that those who are proposing this will have some sort of exemptions for themselves and their oligarch friends.

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[–] Juice@midwest.social 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (5 children)

Bourgeois conservatives are obsessed with 20th century communism. The billionaire class has had its own vanguard since Prescott Bush. Steve Bannon calls himself a Leninist, though I'm not real sure what he means. The Republican obsession with culture war is influenced by Gramsci and his theory of hegemonic power. And the republican strategy of politically controlling cities through rural areas, as in "the country surrounds the city," is a component of Maoism.

Not saying there is an affinity between far right conservatives and communists, I don't believe that there is one. But 20th century communists' application of dialectical materialism uncovered new political dynamics through their work with the masses, and unfortunately the far right learned many of these lessons, though only as a way to gain power for themselves noy liberation for all; while democrats clung death like to liberal idealism and refused to learn anything from the left, since it is the dems job to oppose and keep power from us.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Steve Bannon calls himself a Leninist, though I'm not real sure what he means.

I mean fascist have "socialism" if you consider their party members alone to represent the state. That's why fascist economics can be difficult to grasp for a lot of people, especially capitalists.

Yes the Nazi seized the means of production.... But, the way they did it was by seizing businesses not controlled by the party and then incentivizing loyalty by re-privatizing the businesses back to loyal party members.

People like Bannon cannot see the difference between the people seizing the means of production to serve greater society, and the party seizing the means of production to serve the party itself. To them socialism is when government take business, and that's it.

And the republican strategy of politically controlling cities through rural areas, as in "the country surrounds the city," is a component of Maoism.

I don't really think that's entirely correct considering that the 3/5th compromise was basically set up to do the same thing in America, and the idea of a Senate itself was invented as a way to avoid the same situation early American leaders witnessed in the French revolution.

I think maoism is a bit of a twist on the tradition, as class consciousness in China was fermented in the rural plurality unlike in Western nations which tend to take a more vanguard approach to socialism.

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

LOL, MAGA Communists.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

*Squints harder*

Ah, slavery.

But schools place way too much emphasis on academic results. You can be the smartest man alive, but you'll still be paying the "school thicko" to fix your toilet.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I wonder how quickly they would change their tune if they were also required to pay appropriate wages for the people conscripted to work on their farms.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 113 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Who's the "our" in "our farms" referring to? 👀

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 77 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Or, and hear me out here: We could pay people a competitive wage for their labor.

I understand the need for agricultural subsidies. The government inserts itself into the normal supply/demand process to protect the general public against a famine.

What I don't understand is why those subsidies don't seem to be flowing past the greedy hands of corporate farmers and into the pockets of farm laborers.

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[–] BotsRuinedEverything@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So... Slavery with more steps?

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 16 points 1 day ago

Slavery, but with overweight incompetent people.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The reds have actually taken over our country.

We need to stop Chairman Trump, the communist who hates America and want to destroy our freedom and our way of life.

(can we just call the MAGAts "communist"? seems like a more potent word in this 21st century red scare era)

[–] Part4 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What Trump is doing has nothing to do with communism. It is raw naked capitalism, whose end game appears to be oligarchy, aligning itself with fascism rather than accept an egalitarian society in which it has to give up any of its advantage.

[–] discosnails@lemmy.wtf 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I mean he nationalized 10% of Intel. That's pretty much textbook communism.

[–] Part4 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Only entirely uneducated and brainwashed Americans would claim that anything Trump is doing could be called communism. The educated world is a combination of laughing at you/shaking their head.

You really need to educate yourselves. Because at the moment your ignorance is harmful.

[–] discosnails@lemmy.wtf 1 points 5 hours ago

Nationalization of private companies? How is that not a communist act? Don't get me wrong, I think he's a fascist first and foremost but he's doing some weirdly collectivist stuff. Which is funny because that is what actually uneducated Americans (not me, and it's pretty funny you consider yourself to be a spokesperson for "the educated world" when you're most likely a barely bilingual teenager) have been screaming about for a long time despite our socialized car culture, military, and corporate welfare program. But you go on and raise your blood pressure about things you don't fully understand and yell on the Internet at people you certainly have little chance of challenging intellectually.

One thing you gotta know about politics, is you have to use "fascism" when your audience is on the left, but for conservatives, "communism" is a much scarier word so you should use that instead. Its basically code-switching in order to get your point across. The average people are too dumb to understand nuances so you have to dumb it down for them to understand.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (11 children)

I wonder how many rich kids will develop bone spurs?

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nope. It’s slavery. They want to do a slavery.

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[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Do serious farmers even want inexperienced randos picking their precious harvest though? I guess it might depend on the crop, but a lot of vegetables and fruits need the proper handling, or they'll be ruined or at least second-rate.

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 39 points 2 days ago (8 children)

This is what MAO did during the cultural revolution. Intellectuals and ‘professionals’ got sent to work in the communes. Hard to believe that MAGAts are asking for commmnist policies, but then the Kirk thing has surprised me in terms of the policies they want now. Since Kirks policies are no longer acceptable?

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[–] GoddessGundy@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Great. We all say this about the service industry, too. So since farming is your life blood you think its hard and people need to understand.

By that logic, everyone should be drafted for many different vocations to gain perspective on other people's careers.

Edit: Also it seems she's implying that someone else will pay the wages if she wants a draft. She wouldn't have to rely on imported employees if she payed a living wage to begin with.

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[–] jve@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

Make America Great Leap Forward Again

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