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Wow, this is a really left field one. Don't get me wrong, Dessalines is an Imperialist simp fuckwit, but he's usually a lot more subtle that just unironically banning someone for expressing that murdering the mentally disabled and blindly listening to authoritarian rule is bad.
blindly listening to authoritarian rule
Their latest line of narrative (among the Tankie Triad in general) is that there's "no such thing as authoritarianism" and that it's entire definition was "made up by the West"
That explains the post I saw the other day that was saying all states are authoritarian, which I've been wondering about a lot. Being pro-anarchy I kind of fuck with the idea, but then also what words do we have left to distinguish between better and worse forms of state? Makes sense if it was an intentional attempt to destroy the word's meaning.
I'm very curious about you being pro-anarchy. Can you go into detail about what that means?
I think that an anarcho-communist society is best in terms of each individual's freedom and ability to prosper. I think governments can be good, but are inherently vulnerable to corruption and are therefore not good to have in the long term. I do support bettering the governments we have now though, because I don't think they're going anywhere any time soon.
So what's an ideal anarcho-communist society look like?
That's a difficult question to answer in that the answer is enormous. What does today's society look like? You could write a whole book about it.
It's also difficult in that I don't feel I have enough education or experience to endorse specific policies.
In vague terms it would look like how open-source projects are run, with people collaborating on tasks that need doing because they genuinely care about getting them done in way they consider proper, rather than being forced to do tasks in order to live. Leadership would be determined collaboratively rather than enforced, and only personal property would be a valid form of ownership.
A common objection is that some people will simply lie about without contributing anything to society, and I have no doubt that's true, but I also don't care. I'd rather work hard to grow apples for everyone, including a few lazy people, than work hard to grow apples for a wealth-hoarder who actively harms people.
Sounds like what Afghanistan was prior to the rise of the taliban. How will this society manage to defend itself?
The seven dwarves before Snow White came along.
Doc, Grumpy, Happy, Sleepy, Bashful, Sneezy, and Swaggy
"no such thing as authoritarianism" and that it's entire definition was "made up by the West"
Jesus fucking christ.
It seems like murder has become a lot more common and accepted in Russia.
Wowie, head tankie boss defending Fox News. They really are just conservatives.
also get back to work dessalines.
something something horseshoe theory
I really dislike how some mods like to refer to rules by their number. It just makes things needlessly opaque, it's part of the "You meet me where I'm at, because I am your superior" mindset. In this case it makes it kind of hard to even see what he's claiming the issue is with this. Is it because it's referring to mental illness in a sort of ableist way? Eh, maybe that's a little bit legit. But that would be a different rule? Honestly, it just reads like dessalines lets his hamster wander around on the mod controls sometimes, or anything he takes personal offense to he likes to delete from the comments, and he takes personal offense very very easily.
It's also the instance rule. Not the community rule. But yeah: They intrpret the rules how they please. Reminds me a bit of their idol: Stalin.
Go to the gulag along with the gays and the jews
ban was deserved in this instance though, the comment was ableist
How you mean?
calling something you don't like a mental illness perpetuates stigma against mentally ill people
That's not really ableism though.
i am very curious about your reasoning. is stigma bad? just generally speaking?
when you say "authoritarianism is a mental illness" you mean it as an insult. this implies that you consider mental illness to be something that diminishes your value as a person, which is not true, and ableist
I get what you're saying. I don't really think we should call authoritarianism an illness, but what should we use when an extremist, like an antivaxxer, flat-earther or someone else actively denies reality?
And I don't think mental illness is valued, and I think it is something that diminishes a person. It's why we call it an illness.
I mean, you can use any other insult, there are plenty to choose from.You can call them vile, ignorant, close-minded, delusional.
It diminishes a person in the sense that it diminishes a person's abilities. Not a person as a whole because people with mental illnesses are worth as much as any other person.
Ah okay, so you're upset about the distinction between those with mental illness and those without?
I thought you were defending mental illness itself as something that should be encouraged or whatever
Apart from you argueing in favor of ableism, which in and of itself is disgusting, the whole deleted comment is: „maybe that could be a way to justify the killing of what I define as authoritarian people“ and by authoritarian they mean extreme left, which they don‘t even understand. They‘re fascist, just like your community defending that take, cheering it on.
~~What‘s your defense, fascist?~~ What‘s your opinion on that take, goat? or cm0002? let‘s hear it.
They‘re fascist, just like your community defending that take, cheering it on.
Not a shock from the people who blindly hate all communists, anarchists, anyone left of the DNC. Especially if you look at goat's history.
lmao at the us defaultism.
If you knew so much about my history you'll know I don't use left/right ever. If you're an extremist and aren't swayed by evidence and believe violence is a good thing, then I don't like you. Simple as.
tell me more about my history
Hey how'd you find out I commented on a 3 day old post, without tagging you?
i browse by new
I'm not arguing in favour of ableism, just asking what it means in this context because ableism is something that's regularly up to interpretation, and it's important we come to the same conclusions on what is ableist or not. I'm disabled and I've regularly been a victim of ableism and the many forms it takes, hence my asking.
Also thats not the whole deleted comment? I'm not sure where you're getting that quote from.
And how's this community or myself a fascist?
Maybe you‘re concern trolling, but you sure as fuck are not „just asking“, because the point has been correctly made and all you do is trying to destruct it to nothing. Ableism is not that complicated to decipher, as you make it out and in this case it‘s clearly that. You are a dishonest person and I wish you‘d be more sincere. But all you do is excusing hate speech in all it‘s forms in this very community.
We‘ve been there with dehumanization, on two occasions, you ignored it and distracted. We are now here with ableism. And what you do is you are talking it away, you throw it under the bus, so the greater point of „tankies deleting innocent comments“, when the comment in question itself can be considered hate speech, because it‘s fantasizing about the idea of finding excuses to kill a group of people, is hate speech in and of itself.
I think you are pretending to have trouble understanding, that what I put in quotes is a paraphrazation of the original comment. You again chose to play the naiv person only to muddy the waters; it’s a disgrace in favor of hate speech. You are willful ignorant to the point of malice. And here we are adding fantasizing about killing a group of people to the list of the hate speech you ignore.
And how's this community or myself a fascist?
I laid that out several times now. I‘m not interested in playing that game with you. You had ample opportunity to engage with my arguments.
E: Put simply, you ignore, defend and encourage hate speech towards an outgroup.
I'm disabled and I've regularly been a victim of ableism and the many forms it takes, hence my asking.
You can be a fascist with a disability. It‘s dumb, tho, but I offer you a change in perspective. But you fail to engage in any critique I put forward and therefore conclude, that you are acting in bad faith. Please start looking in the metaphorical fucking mirror.
I like to clear up miscommunication, which we've done, and have come to an understanding that mental illness doesn't remove someone's personhood. I originally thought that Renz was defending mental illness, that it's something that doesn't diminish somebody, hence my asking. Now we know what sort of ableism we're referring to, because it's frankly a broad topic, since disability comes in all shapes and sizes. I don't know why you're so conspiratorial about it.
How am I excusing hate speech? Show me if there's hate speech in this community, and I'll tackle it.
Also, no idea what sort of dehumanisation you're referring to. If anything, aren't you dehumanising me by calling me a fascist? Is this all just projection from you?
And where did killing people come from???
What are you even on about, dude? Like, where's any of this stuff coming from?