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The truth is that the U.S. civil war never really ended, it just went into a "cold" phase. If you don't believe it, just look at all the Confederate flags still flying all over the South. Nixon's "Southern Strategy" was all about keeping the war going, under the radar. It has only gotten more obvious since then.
Its crazy that we have literal proof that these countries have tens of thousands 9-5 employees who's entire job is to fuck the internet with lies and its just so normalized an accepted.
and yet some instances get triggered when you state this fact
People still get mad at me when I point this out to them, like I've just told them the Earth is flat.
No, Biden didn't lose just cause he was old. No, Labour UK isn't tanking in the polls just cause they're disappointing (the Conservatives were awful for 13 years and still won plenty elections). There's more. There's foreign meddling. And these people just refuse to believe it, as if their countries are impenetrable bubbles.
I used to work in organic growth and it's crazy what you could do in astroturf or brand growth as just a normal person. To think that governments that cannot be challenged would restrain themselves from using this weapon is sadly too optimistic.
The reason why EU and US arent so blatant because they can't just start a troll farm with publics approval.
Why would the U.S. need public approval for a troll farm? That shit is highly classified. If you think the U.S. doesn't do the same thing we accuse Russia and China of doing, I gotta bridge to sell you.
The meddling is foreign and domestic and it comes from $$$$$$$.
These countries don't typically do 9-5 but yes...
True, but question: do you believe the US is doing the same or not? Whether it's the actual government or companies
It's an irrelevant question. Two wrongs don't make a right. It just makes things more toxic. It's wrong when the US does it, like anyone else. None of these governments with corrupt centralized power should exist. And this sort of propaganda doesn't help people.
Agreed!
It doesn't matter if its the US, Russia or China.
Leading governments launching campaigns to destabilize countries of millions of people while promoting their preferred fascist takeover has ultimately the same effect.
The working class suffers and loses while the elite endlessly benefit.
They're indisputably doing the same, except that the flow of instructions and money follows the US model instead.
You won't find a government-signed paycheck anywhere (well... maybe), but the people who Congressman and Senators and their PACs have to beg for money, are the same people funding dark astroturfing movements.
Shit is almost as bad as American mainstream media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Pioneers_of_China
It's literally the American "Pledge of Allegience" on steroids. In fact, when I first immigrated to the US, I just thought the pledge was a "normal" thing, like a ritual, that every country does (I was a non-citizen at the time so I remained silent of course). But then Europeans told me it wasn't normal.
In part paid for by wealthy Americans.
Nations are just a tool for the wealthy.
Don't forget all the Europeans here on Lemmy
I'm Canadian and don't really wish it because it would be a very messy thing, but in a way, I'm thinking, if the US is stuck in a civil war, at least the chances of it invading my country should be much lower.
Like, it would be shitty, but at least countries that are now threatened to be annexed or invaded by the US could maybe breathe a little easier, and see Americans killing Americans for once, instead of people in other countries.
Typically when a country undergoes a violent internal conflict that depletes the coffers, the neighboring country's resources start looking really nice.
But if the US is in a civil war, the EU will accept war refugees... right? Right? 👀
(pls lemme in 🥺👉👈)
In general, I'd advise you to now get everything you need, whether a civil war is coming or just tyranny.
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Wow, I don't have the energy for all that.
Kinda feel like I just wanna go down with the ship. I'm tired man.
Trust me on this one. These have been the most frequent problems that refugees in europe had since 2015. But they also had the language barrier where there documents weren't even understandable to European administration.
Now in your case that is much easier. Just make a folder with your essential documents, either the originals or proven copys. You will need them whether you flee the ship or go down with her. Having those records is essential in the aftermath of any catastrophic situation
We might let you in, but if other war refugees are an indicator, it probably depends on your skintone.
The EU is totally going to align with Trump, officially citing his election but, in reality, based on him controlling the nukes and (probably) most generals.
I would very much like for USA to be much more stable than it's currently so that it could help us with Russia. And this is of course why Russia is trying (and looks like succeeding) to make USA into a internally bickering cesspool.
i'm a ukrainian bot, thank you very much
This is something that has been well known and well documented for a very long time now. We've had reports and evidence from dozens of countries, not just the US. We've even had both Russia and China publicly admit that they're doing this.
The only people who deny this are either far left tankies who just happen to to simp for Russia and China or far right neo nazis who also just happen to simp for Russia and China. I sure wonder where Russia and China are focusing their propaganda campaigns...
The rubes keep falling for it and they get all emotional and violent about it rather than getting informed.
What choice do they have? You think they can just wake up one day and like... not be a useless stupid tool in society?
American bots:
Everything is normal
American bots:
Keep doing nothing. Resisting is what the Russians and Chinese want.
I'm not Russian. I'm not Chinese. And I don't think I'm a bot. All I want is for that orange kiddie fucker to be imprisoned.
If the lazy fucking americans do that then all is forgiven on my part. Until they come out and officially acknowledge that he's a disgusting blob of human scum then I'll never forgive or forget.
Honestly was just thinking about that earlier, how massively disappointing it must be for accelerationists and our enemies to throw so much time and energy at getting the left to start shit and we just don't because very few of us are that dumb.
That said, it always pays off around election time when the left splinters and some radical self destructive buffoon gets empowered instead.
You mark my words: Russia is one thing, but the very second the US is suitably distracted with internal affairs and can be counted on to be unable to respond, Taiwan gets invaded over night. And that shit will spiral out of control very quickly, because China won't stop there, and nobody else wants to have to learn Mandarin in the mandatory reeducation camp (or at all). Oh, I do beg your pardon, I meant to say "Harmonization Retreat". In Mandarin, obviously. Wouldn't want to compromise my social credit score.
Why? They want Taiwan for its leverage in the silicon industry and for reinforced access to the Pacific Ocean. They really don't have any other military targets on their radar, unlike the USA which spent the last 70 years basically pissing all over the world even after the USSR fell. If you want proof, look at Pakistan. They threw billions of dollars at it, yet its a 100% shill platform for the US. They don't really care about controlling it so long as they are getting paid and Pakistan continues to buffer India.
US is suitably distracted with internal affairs and can be counted on to be unable to respond
You seriously overestimate the US being "distracted" by internal affairs. I even doubt they'd recall forces around Taiwan during a hypothetical civil war. If anything, they'd see the insane value of ending a civil war by baiting China to attack.
Why? Because CCP and dictator Xi literally said they would countless times. Taiwan is an emberassment for CCP and the authoritarians can't have that. The only reason China didn't invade Taiwan as of yet is because they couldn't and as soon as they can they will, that's literally the official stance.
I have been thinking US probably requires a hard reset. But then I realised, this will only benefit Russia and China. Well, more for China. Russia's expensive war in Ukraine won't make the country last long in the future. No one worth their salt could replace Putin. If US breaks up or goes on civil war, China will be the ultimate winner.
With both parties working against the most of the american people and most of the media being in the pocket of some rich guy I don't know how this is going to change other than rewriting the constitution to change how the american political system works. And being defeated in a war seems to be one of the only moments in time where this can happen. And as a non american I'd prefer if they duked it out amongst themselves. Pulling others into it seems unfair and the US might actually win. I'd much prefer if an alternative to war though since its one of the worst things that can happen to a person. I don't know how it would look though. Please enlighten me me if you do.
The problem is that our armed forces are specifically structured to prevent civil war, while there aren't strong regional divisions right now. It's an all or nothing where you're either in control or you're not, and that will take a long time to change.
That said, Trump is absolutely destroying the institutional stability of our entire government in a way no one has done before. This won't allow for a civil war under him, but a decade or two down the road might be a different story.
If governors like Gavin Newsom are as sinister in their power grabs as I suspect, there might be an increase in regional divisions that could make battle lines exist. If other empires are smart, they'll encourage ambitious governors and local officials to lay the groundwork for a regionally divided civil war in the future. That'd be how an American civil war can happen; in the aftermath of a dictator like in the century of unrest after Caesar died.
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