How do you declare war on a state you don’t recognize?
this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2023
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Not sure if you're trying to be clever? You can start a war against anyone or anything.
...take the War on Christmas, for example
You can attack anyone or anything but formal declarations of war are usually state actions.
I guess I’m partly being clever and pointing out that Israel is waving this word “war” around very generously right now, because they’re always dramatizing the direness of their situation, mainly for the American audience. But technically they shouldn’t be using this word unless they recognize the state of Palestine, which they have historically refused to do.
So, as usual, they’re trying to have it both ways.
I'm not sure I understand. Does war declaration being a state action require recognition the state of Palestine? Or can they declare war on "Hamas" or any other entity/group of people. Or do they even have to state who they are at war against? Can they just say "we are at war"?
I can't read the article (I just get an HTTP 403 "Forbidden", interesting) but Israel had previously talked about declaring war on Hamas itself.
This isnt a gotcha. Israel does not recognize the legitimacy of the Palestinian state, but they don't like, pretend it doesn't nominally exist. If Hamas considers themselves a legitimate government, they can be declared war against. They're not legitimate, but they still exist.
As an easy example in the US, everyone in the country doubted the legitimacy of the "Autonomous Zone" in Portland, and yet it very definitely was a thing.
It's a not-so-civil war, if you will
Show me a civil war and I’ll show you a friendly murder.
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Wonderful. Now we have two wars that just happen to rile up needless political grandstanding for the uninvolved to fight over, so we wont have to think about the millions of innocents killed in the fighting.
Or any really important issues at home.
I dunno, I do sort of think that the deaths of innocent men, women, and children who lived between two warring nations is a big enough deal for us to set down our current affairs.
Im pissed that instead its going to be used as a proxy argument for ongoing at home political pissing matches.
This should make us pause our issues at home. Instead, its going to be used as fuel for the issues at home.
While millions die.
We don’t get many declarations of war these days. Usually they are just special military actions, or security operations, or something like that. What makes this different?
Israel is constantly catastrophizing their situation to win sympathy and demonize their enemy. Usually they try to avoid this kind of language because, being the only ones with an organized military, it would be a bad look to be at war with a bunch of refugees. But since they’ve been attacked they’re doing everything they can to paint that attack in the most bombastic terms possible 1) to win sympathy and 2) to justify the military devastation they are about to unleash on a civilian population.
It's a shame humanity hasn't learned more from the last century, this one wasn't supposed to be a sequel.
War continues but the scale really is miniscule compared to the 1900s.
26,000 American soldiers died in 36 days of fighting on Iwo Jima.
1900 Americans were killed in 20 years in Afghanistan.
I don’t minimize any deaths here, but the direction the numbers are going in gives me hope for the future, not despair.
The post 9/11 wars resulted in the deaths of nearly 1 million people
Yes civilian deaths were higher. But military deaths are able to be counted more reliably so they are easier to compare.
Estimates are that 38 million civilians died in WW2, so there you go. That number is way higher too.
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Nearly half of those are civilians... war sucks no matter how we look at it.
Always is.
So their mass murder of civilians will now be under the guise of a war. Sigh
This seems like a really unevenly weighted war. Israel has nukes and is supported by most of the west. Vengeance and violence are also never a good mix so this will likely get ugly fast. It'll be interesting to see where the line is, if it exists at all, on how much violence the West will publicly support.