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For those who don't find "far-right" to be an applicable descriptor with what is known currently, I acknowledge that the meme creator could have been more precise with their word choice. However, I feel the difference is academic:

We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

Edit - I modified it, though I still find it to be a distinction without a difference - alt version for those who prefer (whoops missed one first time)

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Nice that they have so clearly broadcasted their double standards

It demonstrates that rational people should not attempt to compromise with these cultists and prioritise blocking and removal. They are not reliable or consistent.

[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Nobody moral (who believed, at the very least, in the virtue of honesty) or rational ever gave them anything but the middle finger. But America was cooked from the get go, and with a national ethos similar to that of a greedy, unstable rapist, Trump, MAGA and everything we're seeing now were inevitable.

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[–] nozone@sh.itjust.works 84 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wasn't he a Mormon? Didn't he already find Jesus Christ? It didn't seem to make a difference at all...

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 days ago (49 children)

Mormons aren't Christians, at least according to those Christians who hate Mormons. They might believe in Jesus Christ but they didn't find him. This might seem like a distinction without a difference but only because it is.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] klu9@piefed.social 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Took me longer than I care to admit 😅

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

sorry for my lack of red circles

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[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago
[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ypu are mistaken as to how that argument goes.

The idea is that Christianity is a separate faith from Judaism because they have an entirely different set of texts and a different view of the relationship with God and what is expected of the faithful.

Islam is a separate faith of Christianity and Judaism as it too has additional texts and a different perspective on God than what Judaism and Christianity has (which again differ themselves).

Thus LDS is a different faith because it has a wholly new set of texts, it has a radically different view of the relationship with God than every other Abrahamic faith, and we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything. That's a critical difference and suggests it should be seen as something else following the same standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I wouldn't say "wholly new set," more like "additional set."

The KJB is a foundation of their theology and taught in all their churches.

And yeah, he was making everything up; that's how you start any religion. :)

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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientology are all quite similar. They all have some modern founder (Smith / Russel / Hubbard) who has positioned themselves as a Abraham like figure within the religion. Someone who has been charged by god (or aliens) to write the scriptures.

They are all cults of personality, and a lot of American evangelical churches display similar traits. Charismatic preachers who become celebrities within the movement getting fame and power in the process. There seems to be something in the American psyche that gravitates to this kind of movement.

Christian or not - all of these are problems movements in my eyes.

[–] bignate31@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Christian Science as well. It's eerie how many overlaps they have with Mormons: founded by a single person (Mary Baker Eddystone), have a book they treat as scripture (Science and Health), believe they are the "one true way", and tell people to "pray to know if the book [and the religion] is true"

So eerie, in fact, that it was the final nail in the head (so to speak) that allowed me to leave Mormonism for good

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago

Good for you. Hope you're enjoying being reborn.

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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (10 children)

He doesn’t know the right Jesus. There are too many Jesus’s and everyone thinks their Jesus is the right one.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 62 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So when they finally caught the shooter, I exclaimed "oh thank god he's white" and did a fist pump.

Everyone in the office break room turned, looked at me, noted that I'm brown and then just nodded safely. A couple dudes smiled in solidarity.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago

Didn't we already know that from the released footage.

I suspected he would be right wing as well, after all they're the ones with all of the guns and both people who tried to assassinate trump were right wing, which is why the republicans immediately stopped to talking about them, and trump stopped wearing his stupid bed sheet of a bandage.

[–] thanksforallthefish@literature.cafe 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's a groyper, who is arguing he's not far right ?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You know it's bad enough that we have Nazis again for some reason. But worst of all they are now super duper cringe. I bet actual Nazis refuse to hang out with them because they're so embarrassing.

Original nazis were pretty damn cringe too.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bring back? Do you currently not have the death penalty? That’s blowing my mind. I had no idea that was abolished in the US.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

This is one of those weird right-wing talking points that can be easily disproved. I think this disingenuous discourse contributes to Fox News viewers' perception that crime in the US is out of control when it's actually at its lowest in decades in most cities.

The US does have capital punishment as a federal penalty, but it is not commonly used. There are particular "aggravating" factors to a federal murder charge that can make it eligible for the death penalty.

Capital sentences are far more likely punishments at the state level, and a little more than half of the states still use the death penalty.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anyone else finds the casing engraving situation to be a bit strange?

From a CNN article:

Officials who spoke during a news conference Friday did not address whether the inscriptions included references to trans people, but none of the writings they described appear to have any connection to that community. One law enforcement source told CNN that some of the markings instead appear to be a reference to video games.

Seems to me like they have no idea what they mean? Why have they not shared the actual engravings? They did that for the not-Luigi shooting, so I wonder what's different.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Anyone else finds the casing engraving situation to be a bit strange?

This is the best explanation I've seen (and I do think the engravings are shared out there somewhere)

I'm not steeped in internet culture enough to have known all this Groyper stuff before, though I'd heard the term. However, this has the ring of truth to me, and is consistent with other Groyper descriptions I've seen.

This is the explanation I'm seeing most often outside mainstream media where they are too busy running around trying to analyze it and speak truthfully about his life without getting fired.

More or less the same point but with more information here: https://www.tiktok.com/@aidanetcetera/video/7549640789652032790

[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (19 children)

The far-right stuff isn't proven yet. He just seems terminally online.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 25 points 4 days ago

Bare minimum he was a maga kid in a maga family, and that's the reason for her change of tone. None of the other stuff is relevant to the point here.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 35 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Bring back? Isn’t Utah one of the fuckwit medieval states (I mean the whole country is rotten but still) that still has bloodlust punishment?

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And yet, a fascist was still eradicated! Are you trying to tell me murdering murderers doesn't prevent murders?
Who knew!?

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[–] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just when you think the US Congress could stoop no lower than Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace steps up to the plate and hits it way out of the park.

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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Is there some kind of “online discourse” about using the term far right instead of non left? That’s ridiculous.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think some people feel that it's overused. The trouble is that does seem to be how the world works now. You have the left wing politicians, and then you have the far right. Nobody seems to be just moderately right anymore.

So you see a lot of online comments that are accurately describing people as far right to this, and far right that, and it makes it look like the term is overused. But the truth is, the far right are just overly present.

[–] Hanrahan@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You have the left wing politicians

All 4 of them

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[–] elvith@feddit.org 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No, that’s NOT what he’d want. He’d want us to bail him out: https://xcancel.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1587127536122732544

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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I’m just wondering if the TPUSA folks are gonna get even with Nick Fuentes or if they are going to let the groypers get away with it like the little bitches they are.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 days ago

Him being killed by gang violence right after saying "including gang violence" is just the cherry on top.

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do we have any evidence of his political views from a named source that is verified to have been in close contact with him before the shooting?

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

Is that a requirement for a meme about Nancy Mace's abrupt about-face? It seems a bit rigorous for a community where we share mostly regurgitated memes and screenshots.

I feel pretty satisfied. The viewer can make up their own mind, or find their own sources.

Edit: We can replace "far right" with the easily verified "not leftist" without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago

I think we should be careful promoting any claims as to why he killed Kirk. The narrative surrounding the Columbine school shooting was that the killers were loner loser nerds who were bullied and acting in revenge. The FBI profile released years later suggested they were bullies, weren't popular nor unpopular and one of the killers likely had ASPD and would have potentially killed people in other situations.

We should be very careful how we promote the views of people involved in this crime until we know why he did it.

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[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Not that hypocrisy carries any weight on the right, but for those who are keeping score.

For a fascist, overt hypocrisy is a sign of strength.

The sheep are bound by their previous statements. The lions do whatever they want.

When you accuse a fascist if hypocrisy, you are giving them a big, big compliment.

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