Paradox goes right the fuck away when you look at it in the context of social contract
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Its the lone exception to itself. Thats why it gets a fancy name "The paradox of tolerance". To abide by the intolerant is to validate them, thus contradicting your own tolerance of others.
Its circular logic, and the only solution is it carve out one exception, intolerance of those who are intolerant of others
Don't tell this to all these popular fake leftist commentators.
They were all crying like their own fathers were just killed when Kirk got Kirk'd.
To quote something I said to a transphobe asking about where they can safely question "transgenderism"
And before you go off with, "So much for being tolerant of my beliefs!".
Tolerance is about preventing harm being committed onto others. Tolerance can not condone intolerance being committed against others. Intolerance always leads to harm being committed against others. Tolerance, by definition, cannot be tolerant of intolerance without becoming intolerant itself.
For example:
Me allowing you to openly critize my friends in the trans community without stepping in and telling you, "You're a bigot and your behavior is not welcome here." will lead to your behavior harming them by implicit acceptance of your behavior.
So, with kindest regards.
#You're a bigot and your behavior is not welcome here.
Outlawed is wrong. Because we cannot trust those doing the outlawing and should be fucking clear. Do I even need to bring up the elephant in the room? You want to Outlaw disagreements with US foreign policy?
We hanged people at Nuremberg for incitement to genocide. Genocide is a crime with a very specific meaning. Yes, bad-faith actors can abuse a law prohibiting incitement to genocide, but the same can be done with any law.
Advocating for genocide is not free speech - it's attempted mass murder. Two people talking with each other and conspiring to kill someone else isn't protected speech - it's just conspiracy to commit murder. And if plotting to kill one person isn't protected, plotting to kill thousands or millions shouldn't be protected either. These people are plotting to commit genocide, and their intention is to use the power of the state as their murder weapon.
We need to prosecute attempted genocide and conspiracy to commit genocide as vigorously as we would any plot to kill any individual. But we have this weird blind spot where if someone plans to commit murder on a large scale using the state as the murder weapon, that somehow we don't recognize it as the same fundamental crime. Murder is murder. Killing is killing. Conspiracy to commit murder is conspiracy to commit murder. Whether the weapon is your own bare hands or the apparatus of a nation state. Advocating for genocide is nothing less than conspiracy to commit genocide.
When I went to public school, we were taught this shit and it was drilled into us that it's very important to never forget any of it.
It's insane to see just how far our education system has fallen. American kids know nothing about any of this.
I disagree with this take. The Nazis that were hanged at Nuremberg trails weren't killed because of speech or beliefs, they were killed because of their actions. They actually carried out a genocide, that's what they were guilty of.
I actually disagree with this relatively new movement that pushes for hate speech laws because they're something that's inherently arbitrary and subjective, and they can and will be weaponized to serve nefarious agendas. Principles like freedom of speech MUST be applied universally and fairly in order for them to mean anything. Freedom of speech exists to protect offensive, controversial, and unpopular opinions against censorship because what can be considered any of those things can change at any time.
For example, 60 years ago being racial equality was viewed as seemed very controversial and unpopular, but today? The opposite. However, in 60 years, public opinion on these views could flip again. If we pass laws that outlaw racist views as hateful, then it's very possible that these laws could be changed at any point in the future to outlaw anti-racist views as hateful. I don't want to ever live in a society where I'm being legally punished for arguing against segregation. Establishing such precedents is very dangerous and history has shown us that the consequences of these laws aren't always what they were intended.
I think the US freedom of speech laws as they are federally defined are the golden standard. They take into account all the reasonable exceptions, while maintaining a universally applied standard for everyone. If any individual turned their words into actions or clearly had the intent to take action then they'll be persecuted for their actions. That's the way it should be.
The Nazis that were hanged at Nuremberg trails weren’t killed because of speech or beliefs, they were killed because of their actions.
You are simply wrong in this case. We hanged Nazi propagandists, as we recognized that they were committing conspiracy to commit genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
Most of the evidence against Streicher came from his numerous speeches and articles over the years.[72] In essence, prosecutors contended that Streicher's articles and speeches were so incendiary that he was an accessory to murder, and therefore as culpable as those who actually ordered the mass extermination of Jews. They further argued that he kept up his antisemitic propaganda even after he was aware that Jews were being slaughtered.[73]
Streicher was acquitted of crimes against peace, but found guilty of crimes against humanity, and sentenced to death on 1 October 1946.
You should look into The Banality of Evil by Hannah Arendt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem)
It's a good read, but it's not relevant to what I'm talking about
As a Dane, I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage the pasty prick with the faux Viking shield to crawl back up the wrong hole his mother accidentally shat him out of while giving birth to the good twin.
It is self defense at this point. MAGA is being charged up for an attack. The corrupt politicians have found a tiny little percentage of the population to pour hatred onto. They can spew hatred and tap dance while their idiot followers look at the distraction and focus on them instead of the real problem of corruption and greed.
Intolerance is the answer here, but not necessarily or exclusively towards the deranged MAGAts. We really need to focus on the billionaires pulling the strings. Be intolerant of the wealthy having so much influence over these insane nazi wannabes.
Tolerance is a social contract in which people agree to not give each other shit over perceived differences. To be intolerant is to choose to opt out of that contract, in which case expecting to still enjoy its protections is fucking stupid. Which is to be expected from pedocons and their ilk, who are always acting in bad faith.
That's right. People must be treated according to how they treat others.
There's nothing more ridiculous and incongruent than a nazi beggin for the love and tolerance they deny to others.
In this day and age, someone will lose their job over posting this on their Facebook while the nazis get to roam free
I used to believe also this but then I found out who Daryl Davis was and now I understand the best way to beat hatred is the way he beat it. Even thought there might be psychopaths who are devoided of empathy but the percentage of people who have it is really low and knowing psychology you can also deal with them in a functional manner by teaching them that if they commit malice it will have a direct consequence. Violence always generate more violence and we as humanity have evolved and we can deal with these type of people please don't think this is the best way to deal with it.
What Daryl Davis does might work if you are talking about a very small group, but by the time it reaches percentage points of the population that method no longer works as the societal support structure grows from these vial ideologies, the weaker an approach based on societal influence. Eventually the only option left is violence as you have two opposing societies and can no longer pull "radicals" out of their hatred.
Just like with the Fascists of the early 20th century, the only option left was to expunge these hateful societies.
Yes but you have to always do it individually. You are seeing the world in very a bad light the majority is not like this remember there also a lot of people who didn't vote. Please don't be violent even thought it seems like it is the last resource
If this needs to be explained, then well... things are fucked up
/looks around/
Things are actually fucked up
It’s basically one side believes humans have the right to live, the other side literally doesn’t. Like right wingers fundamentally don’t believe in human rights because they only understand might makes right. And if you’re not “strong enough” to “take” your rights, you don’t deserve them. And they don’t pause to consider that they couldn’t run 100 yards, much less fight.