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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 165 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (14 children)

Has there been evidence he's Christian and conservative/republican? I know his family is, but that's not really enough.

I'm not attacking the point being made, I just haven't seen any evidence, and would certainly like to.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 117 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Not Christian, Mormon which is actually quite the distinction here.

And just because he was raised Mormon does not mean he still follows the faith of his parents.

Evidence he was strictly conservative is slim. There is good commentary about this over on (slight retch) reddit in /r/exmormon including the violent aspects of Mormon scripture and how many Mormons hate both Democrats and Republicans.

[–] NotForYourStereo@lemmy.world 69 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mormons are very conservative. Especially in Utah. They do not hate Republicans, and regularly endorse them and their policies at the pulpit and encourage the congregation to do the same.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It's arguable that many of them are so conservative that they hate the Republicans for not being far enough extreme right.

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[–] stray@pawb.social 28 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Mormons are Christians though. Just because some other Christians don't want them in their club doesn't make their flavor of Jesus worship less valid.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

That's like saying "Christians are actually Jewish though. Just because some other Jews don't want them in their club doesn't make their flavor of worship less valid."

They literally have their own holy books that don't exist for other flavors of Christianity, just as Christianity has their own holy books that don't exist for Judaism.

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

This is not a good example, Mormons and other Christians believe the same events involving and about christ. Jewish beliefs are old testament only.

Anywho, it's all made up anyway, but as an ex-mormon myself, Mormons are Christian.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/christian

[–] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 18 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Christians believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he died on the cross and was resurrected three days later. Do Mormons not believe this?

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So do Muslims. Jesus is to the Quran and the Book of Mormon what Moses is to the New Testament. A recognized prophet, but not the prophet because god apparently felt the need to send a new one down to earth to clarify a few things.

I don't personally give a shit as I'm not even remotely religious, but the only reason Mormons pretend to be a Christian sect is because it's politically convenient to them as a US religious minority to "blend in" better. The more you learn about their beliefs, the more you realize they might be further apart from Christianity than Christianity is from Judaism.

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[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not all Christians study the same Bible, are they not all Christian?

As an ex Mormon i would consider Mormons Christian. All religion is made up anyway.

[–] stray@pawb.social 11 points 4 days ago

I just realized that telling people who identify as Christian that they can't be real Christians because of XYZ is a really silly thing to be saying on this forum.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Also straight? How tf you know that?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Well since there was an engraved bullet that said "if you read this you're gay LMAO" it means he had to have read it at some point while engraving it ergo he is gay. /s

[–] GongFuFlashSteep@slrpnk.net 60 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is baseless speculation as no one can be sure if he said "no homo" while making the engraving.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Its not enough to just say it while engraving it. Any time following its creation if he had happened to see it without saying "no homo" first, the State would be forced to recognize him as gay. I don't make the rules here. This isn't just baseless speculation, there are statistics that back this up:

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Prior generations that didn't have this phrasing as part of their subculture were naturally protected as evidenced by the low representation in the Silent Generation as well as Boomers. However with GenX this is where it entered the mainstream and the numbers bear this out. Young millennials and certainly GenZ simply weren't prepared and as such have been hit the hardest as the data shows. /s

[–] nieminen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

He read it while he wrote it, therefore he's gay now

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 4 days ago (5 children)

AP News reported he was not a republican but racialized by Kirk's hate speech. Everything else seems spot on.

The christian stuff is debatable since it hasn't been pointed out yet. Just bc your family is, doesn't mean you are. However, it is safe to say he has been taught those values

https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-shooting-tyler-robinson-suspect-d893cc16fb0937d507283c710c551ef0

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 106 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Luckily, your President and members of Congress didn't just knee-jerk feelings and assumptions and stuck to facts. It'd be really embarrassing if they just went on national TV and assumed and spread mis-information.

[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure all the networks will issue a complete apology in legalese after a long infomercial at 3am on Tuesday morning. Damage done. Nothing corrected. Right wingers will continue to believe he was trans, black antifa. Just like the would be trump assassin.

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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago

An important point: Robinson helped Kirk turn to the left as his final act.

i know it gets forgotten but the shooter in evergreen was also a white cis male radicalised conservative with white supremacist and anti semitic views who glorified columbine.

[–] GoddessGundy@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

I don't know who did it. But every patron yesterday at my bar who was spouting off or saying enough is enough, or what is this world coming to, yada yada yada were all real quiet about the whole thing today.

It was a blessed night. Busy. My body is screaming at me. But there was no political talk. Everyone was behaving themselves and besides the one dude I had to kick out yesterday showing up again, it was all around much better.

It almost hurts restraining myself from saying "where's all that shit talking now? Enough is still enough, right!? RIGHT?"

But when I'm working, I'm working. Maybe one day I'll get to be the drunk idiot.

[–] ValarieLenin@midwest.social 71 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sad case of white on white violence.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 16 points 4 days ago

Many such cases.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Let's gloat about this.

The "unhinged radicals" this whole time have been the Republicans scaring people with totally unfounded claims of a trans uprising, calling to use the government to silence the left, getting people fired for posting that Kirk kinda had it coming, fighting each other at vigils, chanting "white men fight back".

And this whole time we kinda knew it wasn't the left. That this moronic clown wasn't worth wasting perfectly good bullets on. We just waited for everyone to find out.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Correction: Registered with no political party, but everything else seems correct.

Edit: https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/12/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-suspect-shooting-facts/

The "Republican" was a different, older, person.

[–] AltheaHunter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Charlie Kirk's alleged killer.

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[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

not american here.

can someone tell me, what's his motive? The post here saxs he's pro-gun, but why'd he shoot Kirk then?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 days ago

Nothing has really been revealed officially so far, so only speculation. But he appears to be a "groyper" which is another flavor of young fascist douchebag led by Nick Fuentes.

Nick and Charlie had been feuding recently about one of them not being bigoted enough or some shit. The leading theory seems to be that this may have been related to that.

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We don’t really know yet. There hasn’t been any solid reporting on who this young man is and he’s not talking to investigators.

If he did do it and can be easily convicted, keeping the motive secret is a potential bargaining chip to avoid the death penalty.

I would guess Kirk being Pro 2A has nothing to do with it.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How are they spinning this now? Will they say that “the shooter didn’t disagree with Kirk’s ideology, therefore this was not ‘politically motivated violence’, and also this must mean nothing is wrong with Kirk’s ~~hate~~ speech.” Then they dismiss the kid as being mentally ill, and everyone move along, nothing more to see here.

Or maybe he was secretly trans Muslim antifa, and that they are hiding amongst them in their own ranks. That would be kind of funny. Though it would end up getting more dangerous.

Or they have a better spin?

[–] Event_Horizon@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One I've seen posted a bunch is, this guy was a wholesome religious conservative who was radicalised and indoctrinated when he went to uni...which he dropped out of after one semester

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

The woke was just too much, he crashed out like Icarus in the ocean!

[–] phuntis@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

we don't know it's him stop doing the cops work for them spinning the narrative remember luigi mangione they were obviously framed cause they just needed to shut things up and yet everyone went along with it just cause he's hot and it's funny you think they wouldn't do it again don't treat this person as definitely the killer the cops say they are that doesn't mean they are

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 14 points 4 days ago

A fucking Groyper too. Fucking love it.

Authoritarian rule is always threatened by other authoritarians.

It's a mental illness. That's the only way authoritarianism can actually be a thing. It has to be a mental illness.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

I'm pretty sure he has no great love for fascists.

The checklist is cute but it's wrong.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

The fascist thing on the bullets is a direct reference to Helldivers 2 which is a canonically Starship Troopers (the movie) style universe where the fascists who run Super Earth refer to themselves as a democracy while calling their enemies fascist.

This one could go either way, honestly.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago

Helldivers 2 is an anti-fascist game, but because you play as the baddies, not everyone has the media literacy to understand that.

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[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

We should all be gun fans too, on this blessed day

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