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According to AP, there were messages engraved on the casings in the Kirk shooting.
Careful there. That's not according to the AP, that's ultimately according to the FBI. And if you think Kash Patel and his yes-men are above fabricating evidence to enable Trump to pin the murder on the woke-DEI-LGBT-left-whatever, I have a bridge to sell you.
I'll believe it when I see it, and not with a missing minute in the video.
Sure it’s possible it was fabricated. But I don’t think it’s particularly outlandish.
In any case, with your comments feedback in mind, perhaps the original discussion should be had with the caveat of “assuming these engravings are legitimate (not given)”
Yeah it's plausible. It's just that you can't trust anything any part of the US administration says is true and impartial anymore, is my point.
Kash Patel is literally a violent coup plotter, he will say anything if it helps Trump.
But how does this guy being to the right of MAGA and not knowing the whole Konami Code help Trump?
Same I’m quite skeptical. Also skeptical a cover-up would last long without falling apart given how smart and well coordinated the trump team is. Fingers crossed.
Though always skeptical, I believe this 96.73%. If the government was going to scratch up some fake shells, they could make that "evidence" hella more inflammatory.
Fuck Charlie Kirk, but you'd think a leftist would think twice about the psychological harm done to 3000 people in attendance watching their idol get shot in the neck. Talk about a radicalizing event. Its like an instant 3000 more alt right militants. Pretty boneheaded move from a "radical leftist."
Edit: Looks like they have him in custody. sounds like he was a right wing 4channer. lol
edit2: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
Edit3: high chance this political donation is not him, but someone else with the same name from the same town in UT...
Talk about a radicalizing event.
Somehow, I don't think the majority of the people present will suddenly turn into radicals... considering that they are intensely anti-radical, correct?
Before it gets memory-holed:
That was before J6, though, so personally I think the possibilities are still open, especially given "entrepreneur" and Trump's appeal to the petite bourgeoisie.
The up-right-down-down-down symbol os from hell divers. Its the code for a 500kg bomb
Ahhh I just thought he couldn’t remember the whole Konami Code.
The casings
Hmmm I see none of that stuff
Casings are three dimensional objects.
How very astute of you.
If shooter actually is a leftist, i think at least one of them would have read "nya :3"
How the hell do you engrave all that on a casing? It'd have to be super-small. Did he use a machine?
The engraving were on several bullets (found in the gun) not just the one he ended up using
Yeah, I get that. It's just that some news reports say he had "bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao" engraved on one. That's a lot of text to engrave on a small brass cylinder.
You can rotate the bullet to add multiple lines.
Does this mean Luigi’s propaganda of the deed was successful?
Luigi's action was successful - and a lot of that success had to do with the fact that Luigi was not seen by the public as an overt political actor... merely somebody screwed over by Big Healthcare Inc.
Overt attempts to "rinse and repeat" this as a PotD "process" is going to backfire and come crashing down to earth hard.
Besides... reading those messages engraved into the casings I have to wonder if the shooter hadn't gotten it into their head to do a "false flag" op all by their lonesome - they are pretty damn cringy.
Engraving one with "if you read this, your gay lmao" does suggest they are just being edgy.
Wouldnt suprise me if they made a greentext just before.
Have you ever heard an actual antifascist use the song "Bella Ciao" as if it's a 4chan meme?
I certainly haven't.
But what are the concrete outcomes here? Brian Thompson was more widely hated. I think this one will come with a lot more negative consequences.
The point of propaganda of the deed is to inspire revolution. I don’t see that happening from either of these actions. If anything it could lead to civil war, which is not desirable.
Brian Thompson was more widely hated.
Not only that, but Thompson's death wasn't seen as overtly political by the public. If Kirk's shooter, for example, turned out to be someone that lost a family member in a mass-shooting, their actions is going to be relatable to the public - just like Luigi's action was. But if the shooter just turns out to be somebody trying to make a political point... well, we all know how that's going to turn out.
This is the problem with these high stakes PotD games... they backfire real easy, and a lot of the people willing to do it are also the people that seem to understand that the least.
Why and how did they find three casings if it was only one shot? Doesn't add up.
They were in the weapon they found? I'm not defending anyone or thing as true, but I believe there's multiple ways this adds up pretty evenly lol
Yes exactly. These were found not fired in the weapon dumped in the woods the FBI retrieved. According to the FBI.
OK thanks. Generally casings or shells refer to the spent cartridges, which is why I was confused.
Literally 196 shooter, put them up to the chair for writing cringe like that alone
And no, propaganda of the deed has been shown to not work in Luigi's case. It's literally been more than 9 months, it didn't inspire the public at large at all (unless you count online larping) and just another lone wolf who from what I can see just recently got into leftism.
I think Luigis case has made the average person more sympathetic to terribleness of insurance.
Maybe, but healthcare question was already the biggest in US, with endless talks because it doesn't suit business interests.
Besides, sympathy alone won't bring about change, which is the goal.
It’s literally been more than 9 months,
That's not how any propaganda works, never mind "propaganda of the deed" - there's a reason people talk about propaganda campaigns and not propaganda events. You need a lot of it before it actually starts working.
Assassination has always been a seriously risky form of POTD - as the old anarchists dicovered the really, really hard way.
Yeah, old anarchists were outright against it.
Also, campaign implies an organized effort, but these individual murders are anything but. Essentially what we got so far weren't campaigns or even events necessarily, but mere spectacles. Momentary and fleeting, lasting until news cycles stop reporting on it and move on
This kind of unilateral shitfuckery have always created more problems for anarchists than anything else... they still blame an anarchist for starting WW1 for Christ's sake - you'd think we'd be more vocal about our disapproval of it, but apparently, that's a bridge too far for us.
What anarchist started WW1? Gavrilo Princip was a nationalist, not an anarchist. Inspired by anarchists and anarchist strategies, but he was a nationalist above all.
Based on the helldivers 2 stratagem on the 1st unfired round, I suspect the bella ciao message also comes from a game, heart of iron IV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qTuXDEnFo
Bella Ciao is an italian partisan song that has been used by antifascists since Mussolini took power. I highly doubt its a video game reference even if he was possibly first introduced to the song by HOI4.