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My mum spoke to me shortly after it was announced that he'd died and I kinda was like "okay, feel bad for this children who had to witness it, can't say I can sympathise with him though he was hardly a saint himself" and my mum was like "he spoke out against the woke people" over and over

I told her he literally said little kids dying in school shootings is worth it so people can have guns. he said empathy doesn't exist and he doesn't have empathy for kids being killed. He ridiculed disabled people in his circles. That he advocated for the genocide in Gaza by supporting Israel's actions.

Then she was like "no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot" even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023. He's a man in a position of power and authority and influence over others, it's a bit different from "just having a different opinion".

She ended up getting pissed off at me and blanking me after that but I don't care. I guess me caring more about kids dying than guns makes me officially "woke" now but so be it. I'll stand by the fact I can't find anything redeemable about this man or any reason to sympathise with him

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[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago

Your mum is a fascist. Ask her if she'd have voted for Hitler during the Holocaust.

Her answer is probably denial.

Ask her if she would have voted for Netanyahu killing Gaza kids in a holocaust 2.0.

She'll prolly deny saying it's a different thing. She needs to be taken to a mass grave and see the actual skulls, the rotting bodies, to see the impact of her wretched hatred.

[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

Flowers cannot agree. *mom

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 12 points 4 hours ago

From this story it sounds lile your mom is both an idiot and a bad person. Sorry you have to deal with that.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago

Then she was like “no no no you got it all wrong he was giving a speech when someone asked him if more people die from gang shootings or school shootings, then he was shot” even though the thing I was talking about was from 2023.

Conservatives have absolutely no long term memory. They're completely ignorant of any history that doesn't prove their immediate point.

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

It’s ok some people are dumb. I have family members that funcking stupid.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Oh dont worry. EVERYONE irl i know is freaking out over this. I just ask. What about the 3 children that were shot in Denver? Do they not matter compared to this person?

These are the same people that asked why I didn't care when James Dobson kicked it. Horrible human.

The media is so damn bought and paid for i cant believe they cant see it.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 hours ago

Hit her with all the memes of his quotes.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 24 points 10 hours ago

Facts don't matter to someone like this. She's having emotions. That's the level you need to work on. She probably feels threatened, and like her in-group is under attack. You'd need to get her to see you as in-group before she'll listen.

We're all emotional creatures, but some people seem exclusively so.

[–] toothpaste_sand@lemy.nl 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

He spoke out against the woke people... Ugh.

"Let’s get something straight: if being woke means caring about the well-being of others, challenging systems of oppression, and striving to make the world a kinder place, then we are unapologetically woke. Let the critics sneer. Let them turn “woke” into a punchline. Their disdain for compassion only underscores the necessity of staying true to its core values."

https://thezeitgeistonline.substack.com/p/we-will-always-be-proudly-woke-if

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Such a good point. My family has been having the conversation about why this is suddenly becoming a thing , more than other murders, and clearly we haven’t been paying attention to the toxic culture of hatred, divisiveness, outrage. I suppose he had the right to his opinion but we’d all be better off if we didn’t listen to it. Anyway, the Wikipedia entry paints him as a vile human being who helped stoke the flames of our society causing harm to many. I’ll have empathy for his family’s loss but the world seems better off

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 54 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Remember the public outcry when couple of Dems got shot? Me neither

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Or the Denver shooting on the same day. ZERO COVERAGE.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 133 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

None of the variations of "woke" have ever been a bad thing to be.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 hours ago

Honestly I’ve resorted to asking them to define “woke” and then break it down and ask them which “woke” attribute they’re against. They usually shut up and go away as, I hope, they realize on some level how stupid they sound saying they’re against basic human decency and rights.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 75 points 20 hours ago

Calling people "kind" just didn't have the same sting to it.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 38 points 20 hours ago

Indeed. Woke is anti-oppression and the system of oppression wants you to go back to sleep.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 29 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Charlie actually had tons of examples of why woke is evil. They all happen to be strawmen and fictitious, but he was never short of examples.

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[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 5 points 18 hours ago

Crusties spending decades bemoaning the decline of respect and manners among the yoof, suddenly the switcheroo and they now bemoan the yoof for having respect and manners.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 34 points 17 hours ago

Sorry to hear your mother is toxic and unintelligent.

[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago

They changed Charlies pronouns on Wikipedia to was/were.

[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 78 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, I'm not surprised. A lot of older people are telling me they learned about Kirk today from the news. American News Media^TM^ are actively whitewashing him, just look up how they're talking about him on CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc. They're making him seem like a political icon to GenZ/Gen alpha who likes to debate and "play devils advocate", instead of the architect of his own demise.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 60 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Charlie said empathy is for cucks. MFW your mom spits on his legacy

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 31 points 20 hours ago

Charlie also didn't believe in gun control, so he's gotta be okay with what happened. I don't know how he'd feel about OP's mom disrespecting him like that.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 60 points 20 hours ago

Wonder if she's sad about the school shooting that happened right after.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago

You should be pissed at her for failing to agree with you that Charlie Kirk was a nazi piece of shit who had it coming.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

Sorry about your mum. Have my remote empathy and compassion

[–] Jtee@lemmy.world 34 points 21 hours ago

Your mom's a fucking moron

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 23 points 20 hours ago (12 children)
[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 1 points 4 hours ago

Melee is also acceptable.

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago

Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer: Yeah.

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Does the space pope wear a hat?

[–] Jtee@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Is the space pope reptilian?

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[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 21 hours ago

I would have been laughing in her face for saying something so fucking stupid to me. It’s what I do to my dumb ass mom

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

At least you can agree now that there was a good moment in his life, too.

[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

Hey internet stranger. That sucks. You are a good person and sorry you have to be in this situation.

[–] mcbenavides85@piefed.social 12 points 20 hours ago

Good. You shouldn’t have sympathy for fascists.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 20 hours ago

Tell her to fuck off honestly.

I wish I did before mine died a couple weeks ago. I missed the chance.

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