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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 65 points 6 days ago (3 children)

A coworker of mine was dangerously close to connecting some of the dots yesterday.

He started complaining about how things are getting more expensive, and how the company we work for has started buying things from overseas because even with tariffs it's cheaper than buying American made, and then came the stunning part.

He said "They say they have to raise prices because of terrorists or some shit, but how do WE know if that's true? How do we know there ARE any terrorists and it's not just all bullshit made up by politicians and the news to justify raising prices so they can get rich."

And then he took a hard right turn and added that "all those goddamn r****d democrats in congress" are to blame.

So close.

[–] derry@midwest.social 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 12 points 6 days ago

The talking points are integrated in their personality.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I would have just said "Republican Congress voted for the tariffs." And watched with popcorn.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

...

But how? Trump has explicitly stated how 'good' the tariffs are. He has wholeheartedly expressed his commitment to the tariffs.

How the fuck does this spin back around to 'it's the dems fault'??? Like, god damn — I'm sorry to insult your coworker but the only word I can think to describe them is the word they used to describe dems.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 1 points 4 days ago

m sorry to insult your coworker

Don't be, most of them are barely more capable than apes. And that's mildly insulting to a few ape species. With a little training, the apes would be far more capable and understanding.

This one in particular isn't the worst, but when he's on drugs he can be.

Most of them are racist, homophobic, transphobic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, xenophobic in general... At least nobody has been wearing the Civil War Losers Flag. Well, several of them do wear plain white cut-offs...

[–] realitista@piefed.world 31 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I think it more comes down to the fact that if you live in a rural area, you have to have a very independent and individualistic mindset because you are so far away from things that you have to do most things yourself. This leads to a less collectivist mindset. Your main hub of society tends to be the nearest church, which is where you see the other people living nearby. Or maybe the bass pro shop or waffle house if you are near enough to one of those.

When you live in a city, you are about as deep in society as you can get, and you can quickly understand why we need to help each other because you see the results of not doing that all around you (mental illness, drug addicition, homelessness, etc.).

It's not that one is right and the other wrong, it's that they are life viewed from fundamentally different perspectives and needs.

[–] EffortlessEffluvium@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And yet church is a collectivist society. Even says so in the Gospels and when done properly, churches take care of each other in their societies.

[–] realitista@piefed.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but not one run by the government. It is the form of collectivism that rural people see and most conspicuously use, and hence why they don't see the need for governments

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

why they don’t see the need for governments

A very generous reading. I think they couldn't care less if government is needed, unless it helps them, in which it's certainly desperately needed. Paying for a minority to get a benefit is their worse enemy though. It's all about selfishness.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

In which case, when it comes to big-city federal tax dollars paying for pork-barrel infrastructure (dams, highways, etc.) and health facilities, and disaster-relief in their little communities, most of those dollars come from city workers. THEY're not the ones paying for minorities to get a benefit ... it's the minorities!

Without Blue states, Red states would be stuck with the taxes their people are willing to pay.

[–] realitista@piefed.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Well it shouldn't be surprising that someone who lives far away from everyone else doesn't care much for other people.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why would that be? You say that like everyone actively chooses where they'll be born.

[–] realitista@piefed.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Barring extreme poverty limiting your freedom of movement, I would assume people who wanted to leave rural areas to live in a city would do so. It happens quite frequently.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

People in rural areas are usually poor. I would know, I left one to escape poverty. But I'm lucky I could. Almost everyone else in my family stayed for a variety of reasons and none of it is as simple as "they don't like people".

[–] realitista@piefed.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well yes I agree "given the choice" should be the caveat here.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah. It took me a long time to leave honestly. It's scary to leave all your friends and family. I ultimately had an early mid life crisis and made me say fuck it and do it, but I get people choosing not to (even if it's a choice, it sometimes feels like it's not).

I both hate the idea of moving back but also think I will some day. I kind of miss my family even though they're extremely difficult to deal with a lot of the time. And I can't leave my parents out to dry when they get old, regardless of all the trauma they caused me.

[–] realitista@piefed.world 2 points 4 days ago

I understand. It's not something that's easily done even just on an emotional level. I also feel increasingly guilty not being near my parents as they get older.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but not one run by the government. It is the form of collectivism that rural people see and most conspicuously use, and hence why they don’t see the need for governments

in other words, anarchism

[–] realitista@piefed.world 3 points 5 days ago

Moving from the government to the church is really just moving from one giant organization to the other in a lot of ways. But yes, it's outside of government so I guess you could say it counts.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 days ago

Yep, cities are great because there's almost always someone you can call on to get problems dealt with almost immediately. Police, fire, utilities, landlords, homeless shelters, therapists, hospitals, exterminators etc etc

In the country you simply don't have that. Churches are basically community centers. The govt doesn't have a huge role so country people are okay with smaller government. Cities can't imagine life with a smaller government because they rely on it in tons of ways to keep society functioning

Many people in cities think something like owning a gun without the intent to commit a crime is insane because they can call the cops.

Many people in the country think not having a gun around for emergencies is insane because any first responder is 15-40 minutes away, and until then you and your neighbors are it

Like you said it's not so much right vs left but city vs rural mindsets

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it's more that in rural areas webs of trust function. You may not know Bob, but your cousin is best friends with his cousin and you know the last name and so since you haven't heard anything good or bad about him from people you trust who know him he must be an alright fella. And you know Jane just started working with you and she lives in the city but Alice who went to high school with you is saying she's a good worker and may just be what the company needs so you'll give her a chance.

This gets them into trouble as this creates a conformity and pushes "deviants" out of their community. "Sam from down the street is Samantha now" provides an opportunity if the town hasn't yet committed to transphobia, but if it has she's not longer trustworthy and is prone to harassment, and a very likely scenario is that she's lauded as a good one and not like most of them. People of color, immigrants, and people of the wrong religion face similar challenges but without the benefit of family and an existing reputation. Ahmed and Fatima have a long uphill battle to be welcomed into a small farming town, even if they're providing desperately needed skills.

Cities cannot function like this. In many ways they do develop geographically overlapping versions of it, but while you can model a big city queer community or environmentalist scene or whatever subset as a small town web of trust, you can't function like that in the same way. You will have neighbors you don't know because your block could have over a hundred families in it. Interpersonal focused charity is demolished at that point. Institutionalized services become vital as do things like multimodal transit systems.

And once you have these institutions and these resources you get the people who can't get what they need in small towns. Sure the small town has its drug dealers and manufacturers, but only a few do higher level stuff, where the city has a drug trade and gangs. You may have a homeless person or two in a small town, but once they've worn out their welcome and stop getting support they're going to head towards the city where there's shelters and rehabs and people who didn't watch them grow up and get sick of giving alms to them.

Small communities are modeled as relationships and responsibilities and people in those places often think rigidly like that. But urban life forces you to think in systems

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 days ago

This small community way of thinking you're describing is kind of a bad system. It doesn't scale well and is extremely vulnerable to injustice. It shouldn't be held up as a gold standard or even an acceptable way to think. I thought most people accepted the law should apply equally to all, but that "small town" mode is going to produce "sure Jimmy stole the car and crashed into the deli, but he's a good boy. Give him probation. But that [slur] parking in the fire lane? Throw the book at them!"

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 days ago

Let's not think of all the infrastructure to get what they sell to the people who buy it or that gets the stuff you buy to you. And if your response is, "Well, that's only 100 miles to the nearest store/city/hospital," that completely ignores how the stuff got there so you could pick it up.

Unless your lifestyle is such that you only have to buy or sell things a few times per year to survive, you're relying on that national/global infrastructure to enjoy your rugged, individualistic lifestyle.

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 11 points 6 days ago

The conservatives don't want to clean up. They just want to drag everyone down into their own slop.

[–] kalkulat@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Red states sure do love all those taxes being paid out by those awful cities, though ... they don't wanna damage -that- part!

[–] Sidhean@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago

Nah, that can't be it. Uhh The cats are probably dealing drugs out of Democrat cities! I saw it on a post!