Labor exploitation isn't vegan. Vegans are doing the best they can, better than me.
Bacon vegans are the most nonsensical
this post was submitted on 10 Sep 2025
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Modern life is not vegan by nature, human infrastructure destroys animal habitats, human pollution is destroying the planet. Our species is responsible for the deaths of trillions of animals. Our existence is complicity.
Doing what I can to avoid consuming products of animal suffering is never going to be enough to counteract the majority of humans who revel in it. Especially as it's them who've built/control/condone the broken systems this world is running on and will be ending due to.
Oil is vegan, though.
It's made from the remains of dead plants.
Also, I'm not sure how vegans view corpses of animals.
Oil is from plankton and algae, and coal is from terrestrial plants. It's all vegan
Plankton does contain animals.
Phytoplankton is composed of plants. Zooplankton and Ichthyoplankton are composed of animals.
Good point
Also, I'm not sure how vegans view corpses of animals.
Like a dead cow, chicken, or pig? Probably not favorably.
I'd argue the extraction, refinement and typical uses of petroleum oil are somewhat not-vegan.
Vegan has always been about doing the best you can in reducing the harm you do onto others and the environment as much your able to. Some vegans absolutely will refuse the use of petrol but most will see it as a current necessary evil they have to deal with and just reduce when able to in their current modern lives.
Non-vegans have a really hard time understanding veganism, huh?
They willfully refuse to try and understand, then we get posts like this every two weeks.
It's like explaining free software to someone who only uses apple products.
people fucking love to do these gotchas against anyone for even fucking trying, don't they
well congrats, you did it, you convinced all of us to compromise on our principles
I love vegans because they're usually pretty normal people that have see front-and-center how collectively stupid most people are.
The majority of people are proud of their ignorance because it makes them fit in with others.
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looool
how do you know if someone hates vegans?
don't worry they'll tell you
OMG I'm totally using this from now on. 😆
Interesting thought, but humans didn't harm the life that became fossil fuels, most of which came from plant matter anyway. I'm not in a position to unilaterally declare something vegan, but I'm pretty sure fossil fuels are vegan by default.
Sure, its use can harm animals. Still, I could kill a mouse with a cucumber, but it wouldn't change the fact that cucumbers are vegan.
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This is like banning H₂O, NaCl and C₁₂H₂₂O₁₁ from your life because "you don't like chemicals".
(Water, Salt and Sugar)
My sister had a freak out and told me she would never allow chemicals on her lawn. I said what about nitrogen?
NO FUCKING WAY
I followed up by asking her what she thinks our breathable atmosphere is made of, and what is captured by the rain and falls on her grass?
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
I told her no, I don't, because when you just make up imaginary definitions for words, no one can ever know what you mean.
This is a pretty dumb hill to die on. If someone says "chemicals on their lawn" it's pretty clear they mean lawn treatment services.
You sound fun
Oil is actually primarily formed from algae, not dinosaurs, so it should qualify.
Coal is plant matter, so it also qualifies.
Even if it was dinosaurs, the dinosaurs weren't harvested, much less exploited, in any way. They died of natural causes. Hell, even if the aliens decided to farm them and we used what remained it still wouldn't be exploiting them since it's more akin to scavenging.
This is shifting blame. Fossil fuels are vegan in the sense of origin, however the harm done to the biosphere in using them is not vegan. Therefore a vegan using fossil fuels in a dependent society is to blame.
Sure. It's not the much higher percentage of people participating in this, it's the vegans. At least they're making attempts to change, unlike the rest of us.
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Depends on whether you're talking about oil/gas or coal. The former is dead marine fauna (edit: and flora), the latter is dead terrestrial flora.
Coal is from woody (containing lignin) plants. I think oil/gas is from algal mats.
Oh yes good point. I guess flora and fauna are confusing terms in this context. Wiki talks of zooplankton and algae.
(The "zooplankton part" might still be relevant to the original post.)
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