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cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/45730883

With more than 80,000 AI-powered cameras across the U.S., Flock Safety has become one of cops’ go-to surveillance tools and a $7.5 billion business. Now CEO Garrett Langley has both police tech giant Axon and Chinese drone maker DJI in his sights on the way to his noble (if Sisyphean) goal: Preventing all crime in the U.S.

In a windowless room inside Atlanta’s Dunwoody police department, Lieutenant Tim Fecht hits a button and an insectile DJI drone rises silently from the station rooftop. It already has its coordinates: a local mall where a 911 call has alerted the cops to a male shoplifter. From high above the complex, Fecht zooms in on a man checking his phone, then examines a group of people waiting for a train. They’re all hundreds of yards away, but crystal clear on the room-dominating display inside the department’s crime center, a classroom-sized space with walls covered in monitors flashing real- time crime data—surveillance and license plate reader camera feeds, gunshot detection reports, digital maps showing the location of cop cars across the city. As more 911 calls come in, AI transcribes them on another screen. Fecht can access any of it with a few clicks.

Twenty minutes down the road from Dunwoody, in an office where Flock Safety’s cameras and gunshot detectors are arrayed like museum pieces, 38-year-old CEO and cofoun­der Garrett Langley presides over the $300 million (estimated 2024 sales) company responsible for it all. Since its founding in 2017, Flock, which was valued at $7.5 billion in its most recent funding round, has quietly built a network of more than 80,000 cameras pointed at highways, thoroughfares and parking lots across the U.S. They record not just the license plate numbers of the cars that pass them, but their make and distinctive features—broken windows, dings, bumper stickers. Langley estimates its cameras help solve 1 million crimes a year. Soon they’ll help solve even more. In August, Flock’s cameras will take to the skies mounted on its own “made in Amer­ica” drones. Produced at a factory the company opened earlier this year near its Atlanta offices, they’ll add a new dimension to Flock’s business and aim to challenge Chinese drone giant DJI’s dominance.

Langley offers a prediction: In less than 10 years, Flock’s cameras, airborne and fixed, will eradicate almost all crime in the U.S. (He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.) It sounds like a pipe dream from another AI-can-solve- everything tech bro, but Langley, in the face of a wave of opposition from privacy advocates and Flock’s archrival, the $2.1 billion (2024 revenue) police tech giant Axon Enterprise, is a true believer. He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] MangioneDontMiss@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 16 hours ago

Is this ~~damage control~~ propaganda after the popular Benn Jordan video?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 17 hours ago

Are they going to place cameras in the white house? Because that would be a start.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 16 hours ago

Make trains run by the clock, eh?

He acknowledges that programs to boost youth employment and cut recidivism will help.

Even better. State programs of giving people bullshit jobs earning their gratitude, loyalty and readiness to join, say, some paramilitary force?

He’s convinced that America can and should be a place where everyone feels safe. And once it’s draped in a vast net of U.S.-made Flock surveillance tech, it will be.

A knife can be used both for cutting bread and for cutting off heads. And they are.

A gun can be used both for stopping a very bad person and for stopping a very good person. And they are.

And a surveillance net of drones (that can also carry weapons) can be used both for reducing crime and reducing dissent. And it will be.

There are moments when I'm glad I live in a backwards (relatively to the US) country.

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 37 points 20 hours ago

I'll believe it when they catch a McDonald's manager shorting his employees' wages.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 16 points 17 hours ago

No they don't.

They think saying they do will make them rich.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 97 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Thinks it can ~~eliminate all crime in America~~ make a shit load of money

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

And if/when it eliminates all crime it will just lobby to make more things illegal.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 33 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Before we try to manage the entire population at large, let's just eliminate crime in prisons and jails. That's a controlled environment, but it's rife with crime. If we can't fix a controlled environment, how can we possibly fix an open environment?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 16 hours ago

They don't want to fix it, they want power intended to help fix it, similar to what prison guards have, outside of prisons.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

But there is no crimes in prisons, criminals aren't people so crimes can't be committed against them

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Any system is imperfect, that means some people in prison must be innocent, that means crimes are being inflicted against innocent people.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 3 points 16 hours ago

Hoo boy, suggesting the regime might get some things wrong? That's a paddlin'

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 114 points 1 day ago (1 children)

glances at white house

might wana start with that... 👀

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 29 points 22 hours ago

34x convicted but not sentenced criminal in there.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 41 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

So they're gunna use AI to find ways to better fund public education and harm reduction programs to keep people out of prisons while eliminating the pretext for hyper-militarized policing forces? Right?

...Right?

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 61 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

This is just an ad for obvious bullshit. Forbes may as well be running articles about how ozempic is done because of this one weird trick a local veteran discovered.

There's just not much coverage (probably intentionally) but I wanted to post about it bc the only other recent story I could find was this one and didn't know if it would be deleted for not being a typical news source

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/ai-surveillance-flock-safety-privacy-us-dunwoody-125090900393_1.html

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

This company has illegally installed their cameras in more than one town, then tried to sell the local police force on them.

They have lawyers on staff that they use to coach local politicians on how to hold the votes to establish contracts with them in ways that aren't technically illegal, but ensure that no community opposition has a way to have their voices heard.

You can find a lot of these sprts of stories by searching online. In local subreddits, ones dedicated to talking about flock, and local news.


Benn Jordan has a good 40 minute video giving an overview of these systems, how they work, what they track, and why they are a problem. He highlights some cases where families were held at gunpoint by police due to failures of these systems. He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.


Louis Rossman is currently leading a campaign against their installation where he lives in Austin, Texas right now. Has a number of videos on it.

Overview before the Austin City Council vote: https://youtu.be/4RM09nKczVs

Call for people to show up at the Austin City Council session to discuss the potential contract with Flock, and showing how difficult it is to find this sort of stuff and be involved with your local government: https://youtu.be/g4vL1ERdZ9Y

Call to action 2: https://youtu.be/hDOmYqlwxD4

Austin City Council reschedules the vote (in a questionably illegal fashion) with less than 24 hours notice when they realize they kicked the hornet's nest: https://youtu.be/iscDYp6dtl8

Minor followup during the wait for the revised time, at two of the three parks with 90% of reported car break ins these cameras are meant to deter: https://youtu.be/2QbtDWrlPpc

[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 13 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Also, yeah there really isn't much out there about this surveillance AI company that just kind of appeared out of nowhere ~2017.

Kinda like this other one that appeared out of nowhere ~2015

I wanted to share this article but wasn't sure if it would be allowed bc it's not a typical source https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/ai-surveillance-flock-safety-privacy-us-dunwoody-125090900393_1.html

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

They were coming up all over the place when I was looking for a new job ~3 years ago. Everything about them skeeved me out and I had to keep ignoring their postings.

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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 10 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

He also experiments with defeating the AI that reads plates.

Whoever figures out how to make this shit worthless is going to be given king like status very quickly

BTW have you heard of this new tx law targeting "jugging?"

It sounds like a made up excuse to pull people over for trying to fool plate readers https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20899084

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[–] Hackworth@sh.itjust.works 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 6 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Just looking around my place, it looks like a lot are operated by businesses that cover every way in or out of the parking lot, and the local PD covers entrance and exit ramps from highways. So essentially you have to watch where you shop and never use an interstate to avoid these things. Basically so difficult most people can't be bothered.

Of course there is always sniping them...

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[–] philosloppy@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (6 children)

there's a lot of mid-century French theorists spinning in their graves right now

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I want to see the camera that will stop white-collar crime.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 15 points 21 hours ago

That's kind of the point. Only target crime by poor brown people as they can't afford lawyers.

Try putting a surveillance system in a corporate boardroom and see how that goes over.

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 21 hours ago
[–] unphazed@lemmy.world 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

How to stop crime in America in one easy step: lose all laws. Runnerup solution: hold wealthy accountable to existing laws and remove loopholes for the elite, allowing wealth inequality to balance and improve access to education and basic human needs. One to me seems more practical, but I'd bet that many see both as equally horrible solutions.

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

The main thing in an investigation is not to stumble upon yourself...

Well, to be honest, we are facing a terrible future where we will not be able to buy anything without a slave mark or with poor loyalty.

[–] ApeNo1@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Does that include the content theft used to train the AI models?

[–] SugarCatDestroyer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

No, of course you're kidding, this is their plan to displace people in order to have more obedient slaves who will not have the opportunity to be independent.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Flock? Or other models? Cuz I don’t think they’re training license plate OCR via scraping Reddit posts.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 17 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

If you think you want to live in a place where all crime has been eliminated, you are just wrong. You do not want to live in such a place.

That's the thing, no crime but nobody feels safe ever again.

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[–] m3t00@piefed.world 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 10 points 22 hours ago

You know what prevents crime? Better standard of living and overall living conditions. But sure let’s go robocop surveillance state instead. Can’t mess with the profits.

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago

Chinese drones, hardware, software will make America great again👍

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