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Swedish minister followed and threatened by pro Palestinian demonstrators (www.svt.se)
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[–] Trebuchet@europe.pub 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Translation:

The incident occurred on Monday evening after Carl-Oskar Bohlin (M), Minister of Civil Defense, attended a meeting with the moderate party group.

The minister has shared a clip of a group of people following him in the Old Town, and writes:

"When I stepped out at Mynttorget and was about to walk home, it looked like this. A group of people with antisocial dominant behavior started following me, which resulted in me simply not being able to get home, for the simple reason that my address here in Stockholm is not public," Bohlin writes in the post.

The minister instead returned to the Riksdag building.

Investigating crime

The clip shows the seemingly lonely minister and people shouting at him that he should be ashamed and that he has blood on his hands.

The police are now investigating the crime.

  • Late last night, the police took note of the minister's post on social media, that he had been followed. And due to the information that emerged in the post, the police have opened a criminal investigation with the classification of harassment, says press spokesperson Rebecca Landberg.

The clip shows how people pursue the seemingly lonely minister and shout after him that he should be ashamed and that he has blood on his hands. Photo: SVT "What is the next limit?"

In Morgonstudion, Bohlin commented on the incident further:

  • You don't stand at a distance of a few decimeters and scream everything you can at people you don't know, that's not normal behavior. And if you've crossed that line, it's clear that you ask yourself: What is the next limit that these people in a group will cross?

He did not want to talk about the criticism of the government.

  • Are we going to end up in the situation where we are standing and discussing the issue as a consequence of a bunch of people who are behaving like idiots trying to follow me home - my answer to that question is no.

Kristersson: “Rabble-rousing”

Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson writes to SVT:

“I have a message tonight to the Palestine activists in Stockholm: Sweden is a democracy and you are welcome to express your opinion on the Middle East. But immediately stop threatening Swedish politicians. I now expect all parties and all party leaders to immediately distance themselves from the mob-like behavior that Carl Oskar Bohlin has been subjected to tonight.”

[–] Mad_Punda@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How were they ”threatening” him? To shout that he should be ashamed is not a threat, Mr. Kristersson.

And about the ”normal behavior”, I would say it’s okay to do something not ”normal” when expressing your discontent about complicity in a genocide. Maybe complicity in a genocide should be ”not normal” and he ”crossed a line”? And then dodge the question about the political issue.

But I guess the demonstrators should just use the approved method of influencing politicians and be born rich and well connected instead.

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Are you for real? About eight hooded men following you through the streets at night is clearly threatening. Any person would be uncomfortable in that situation.

[–] Mad_Punda@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I didn’t see anything about 8 hooded men in this post, i don’t know if that is the original or other articles.

But from the thing I replied to, I feel like this was okay? The only reason he didn’t go home was that he didn’t want anyone to find out where he lives (fair enough).

But why dodge the question about the genocide? Maybe he should realize that when you support genocide, people will be very angry at you. Instead of complaining about them expressing their anger, just because for once it’s in person instead of emails you can ignore.

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you look at Bohlins recording, you can clearly see them following him. Actually, it looks to be more than eight people, wearing hoods and masks.

And I don't fucking know, ask Bohlin yourself. But we don't threaten people in Sweden, period.

[–] Mad_Punda@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well, if that is that case, I change my view on this. As I said I was replying to a specific post, not the recording. Maybe the article was bad then, not portraying the situation well enough. What I read sounded super out of touch from the politicians‘ side (”how dare you express your anger in my face“).

I guess my error would I didn’t do enough research before replying.

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 3 points 2 days ago

Fair enough

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is outrageous that a minister felt uncomfortable. That job should be like living in a fairyland.

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah. You feel uncomfortable when threatened... fantastic observation

[–] DreasNil@feddit.nu 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Are you entirely sure that you wouldn't have felt threatened in a situation like that? He was on his way home, possibly to his partner and children.

To me, this is clearly a threat to our democracy, where loud and aggressive people are trying to frighten politicians with other opinions than their own. And mind you, I have never told you my opinion on the situation in Gaza, only that this is NOT the right way to make a difference.

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 2 points 2 days ago

Of course, you would feel threatened!

[–] Mad_Punda@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago

I don’t know, but I think if he’s not ready to help stop the genocide in his position, he should be ready to hear what people think about that. In person. Not from the comfort of emails that you can just ignore. And of course the people are angry.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

We all know this kind of behaviour is not gonna stop the genocide. Still is an expectable event of citizens from a genocide covering state.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What a bias article. Wow.

[–] johannes@lemmy.jhjacobs.nl 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And why is that?

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What mumblefish said.

Every part of it is from the state's perspective. First from the minister involved, then from the police, and then the prime minister.

No part of the article includes anyone else involved, or even anyone not involved but from the pro-Palestine side.

The fear mongering of "what will they do next?! 😧" also never gets challenged.

Israel is committing violence upon Palestinians and this minister was shamed for his involvement, and he equates that with violence committed upon him. He's a coward with a victim complex and unfortunately the state and media right behind him backing him up.

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a retelling of what happened, caught on video... gtfo

And you probably can't even read the fucking article in the first place

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

If it were purely a retelling it wouldn't have the perspectives of police and the prime minister who weren't there...

A transcript is a retelling, this is not that.

And no, hence why I responded to the translation.

My inability to read Swedish has no bearing on my ability to discern bias in this instance. There's no nuance that needs to be read between the lines from the primary source language.

Your getting angry doesnt change anything. Use your head, not your emotions.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago

Well, for one, at least the full interview: the questioning on his and his governments involvment in the Gaza genocide it feels the question from the SVT side is very incincere as they do not have a opponent that can represent that position, nor does hosts bring that position up. They just let the minister use the program for his view on the involvment. Usually what they do, at least for the far-right, is that they say that they cannot discuss certain topics as they do not have someone there to represent that point of view. Here, on the topic of genocide, they instead bring up the question and let his say his piece. The minister also talks about how these people in the pro-palestine movement has no limit to what they will do, but it is the anti-pro-palestine people who have actually committed acts of violence, such as driving into a protest, but SVT does not reply to this statement nor have a opposing side present.

[–] Trebuchet@europe.pub 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It annoys me that they've gone with "pro Palestinian demonstrators" as opposed to, for instance, people who have an issue with a state committing genocide.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Western journalism is a corporation funded circus.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 2 days ago

svt is not corporation-funded

[–] murvel@feddit.nu 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is so clearly inexcusable behavior by the protesters.

[–] DeathToUS@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago

Zionist lies like always.