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ROFL this thread is hillarious. OP sure picked the wrong instance to ask their question.
(For fuck sakes: Please do not ask questions (expecially questions that may involve politics) in TankieLiteEdition.ml, aka: lemmy.ml)
I always link this classic whenever someone throws in the "just ask people in China".
@Flax@feddit.uk
Cowbee giving a lesson on why anarchism should be the goal, and then whiplashing that into support of authoritarianism. Great job. Very praxis.
The ruling class of China is the proletariat?
Surely they have never been to China.
I mean... I surely don't mean to imply that most countries are much better in this regard, the US least of all, but come on.
Xi wants to extend his life through organ transplants. You know, just normal working class stuff!
No one ever seems to get what the "proletariat" is, either.
Visit enough countries around the world and you'll eventually get to see how same-y the average person is, regardless of location. Working class people just live for getting through the next day and the small happinesses that life brings.
But political ideology is in the habit of molding the proletariat into whatever model citizen concept is pushed by the owner class. They construct a more convenient idea of the Everyman that fits their brand of politic and punish those who fail to adhere to that model.
This makes it more convenient for world governments to push nationalism like "Americans do X, Chinese do Y, and that's why we hate each other," based on the platonic concepts they envision their respective proletariat to be. The reality is that everyone is way more alike than they are different, and the ideologues in power hate that fact.
yes, china is proletariat, very smart
Clearly the hammer and sickle are above the luxury brand, therefore this symbolizes how the proletariat is in control of the means of production or something.
taiwan not seeking independence
Because they literally can't. Like, imma point a gun at your forehead and tell you to not yell or i'll shoot, would you yell?
Cowbee is an idiot that only took guided tour as a white person and then say nothing is wrong.
I have not spoken to every 中国人
But I am quite sure that cowbee has not spoken to any of them.
cultural genocide against the Uyghurs
That’s not a real thing.
dilutes Tibetan culture and wants to
Show me the Tibetans who miss living as illiterate serfs under autocratic feudalism and I’ll show you the CIA-backed, “suck my tongue” royal family and its deputies.
The genocide denial is coming from inside the house.
Legitimately, though I'd love it if a tankie was brave enough to come into this thread to explain why Western nations have better working conditions and more worker rights than those of China.
Fr fr. My parents literally have a 1.5x bonus for working overtime, more breaks (still not a lot, but proportionally its more than the jobs they had before in China), actual work safety (well idk what this administration is gonna do, but there are still some state laws in place), and its overall less work hours they had to work compare to China, also Unions. And my father had trouble finding a job in China. Also, there's no protection against discrimination for older people, so if you look "old" they could straight up use that as an excuse to not hire you, and you have zero recourse. And sometimes in temporary layoffs, my parents can apply for unemployment compensation in the US, unemployments benefits are unheard of in China.
There are of course places better than the US (probably those in the EU), but PRC is not one of them.
In order to eliminate class, we must support the advancement of a class.
Neat!
focus on listening more than anything else
... because what you say might get you disappeared.