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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs Tricia McLaughlin told the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) that “videotaping ICE law enforcement and posting photos and videos of them online is doxing our agents,” and added: “We will prosecute those who illegally harass ICE agents to the fullest extent of the law.”

In one incident, ICE targeted a Georgia-based journalist, Mario Guevara, for videotaping enforcement operations. Guevara has legal work authorization in the U.S., according to his attorneys, and has been held in ICE detention for more than two months.

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago

Weak bitches

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 24 points 4 hours ago

Fascists.

Simultaneously big bad bullies and little pussy bitches.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

"We need some muscle over here!"

[–] Bongles@lemmy.zip 42 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"Full extent of the law"

So not at all? Because it's completely legal? Or the new law where everything this administration does is legal but if you complain, straight to El Salvador?

[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

"Full extent of ~~the law~~ what we can convince a judge to let us get away with"

[–] Bongles@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 hours ago

Which is basically anything, if it makes it to the Supreme Court.

[–] kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 38 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

These guys will crumple when exposed to actual violence.

[–] lmdnw@lemmy.world 30 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's coming.

Fascists are always overthrown. Through a combination of their own stupidity and the effort of anti-fascists.

The frustrating part is not knowing whether it'll be one of the quick historical instances of fascists being put down or one of the long, drawn out ones.

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

It's going to be long and drawn-out. There are a lot of fascists in this country that need "reeducation". This instruction will require speaking in the only language they understand and this time we need to get all of them, not ship them off to some other country where they can take root.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 53 points 7 hours ago

Well, I think the ICE raids are actual violence, and so if I see one I goddamn well will videotape it.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

So if videotaping carries the same punishment as actually defending your community...

[–] trager_bombs@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

Does that go for all cops or just DHS' favorite little pieces of shit?

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

But, what is the law here? Is "doxing" agents somehow illegal?

[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 18 points 6 hours ago

Well they cant be secret police if their faces are everyqhere.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 3 hours ago

Shoot (bullets at) the cops

[–] BoloMKXXVIII@piefed.social 12 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

Wait, people still use videotape???

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Some of us will continue to use outdated language till we die. Videotaping is what I will always call it.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago

I still have my old VHS camcorder .... just hollow it out and install a shotgun inside it

[–] kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago

Film in 8mm like a fetishist

[–] Codpiece@feddit.uk 8 points 6 hours ago

Still easier than burning a laserdisc.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 5 hours ago

“We will prosecute those who illegally harass ICE agents to the fullest extent of the law.”

This must be the paradoxical sentence of the year.

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What if the recording device is also a legally owned gun?

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

This. Right. Here.