Is it normal to bomb boats delivering humanitarian aid?
That doesn’t feel normal to me.
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Is it normal to bomb boats delivering humanitarian aid?
That doesn’t feel normal to me.
It’s normal if you’re committing genocide.
And trying to cover it up
From the little we know of the US military:
A Venezuelan boat was bombed by the US military, killing 11 people.
North Koreans were killed on a fishing boat in 2019 by the US military.
Hey, I think something happened to your reply and it seems to have been cut off before you reached the part related to the comment you were responding to.
Which of those boats were delivering humanitarian aid?
You can't just go around poking holes in other peoples' irrelevant comparisons just because they're off-topic, don't you know it's rude?
OK, while true that's don't really relate to this. Yeah, those are bad, but this is another level of bad. Not everything has to be "but America!"
The Venezuelan boat was almost certainly running drugs. Still wasn't a valid military target and they didn't check to make sure, but it matched a specific type of boat that's used for drug running and the cargo was a bunch of barrels, similar to what you'd see with drugs.
The NK fishing boat was a misidentification. Again, still bad but it wasn't purposefully targeting civilians, let alone those carrying humanitarian aid.
You can construct reasonable arguments. I believe in you. This isn't it.
What's your argument, the genocide is okay because the US has also bombed boats wrongly?
And that's ignoring your username. Too much to unpack there.
no i think they're just saying that yes it is normal and offered no indication of whether or not it's okay. normal =/= okay
It's someone I blocked, is it Donald j musk? Haha
Jimmydoreisalefty
Odd I don't recall blocking that name. Oh well
Obviously not, but it's also not normal to commit genocide so all bets are off when it comes to Israel.
Yes, it's a normal thing to do when you are a Jewish Nazi.
Israeli Nazi.
Let’s not conflate Jewishness with Israel, which is exactly what Israel wants.
You have an out-of-date sense of normality. The world has changed while you did not notice.
Lindsey graham was all but encouraging Israel to sink their ship on a previous trip.
I bet israeli intelligence has lindsey on video banging underage boys just as they have so many others penetrating underage girls and surely a host of other crimes and perversions.
Israel has a critical mass of polits and biz leaders compromised that enables them to operate without restraint at home and in our countries, openly bullying our citizens and further corrupting our polirics with aipac and the like.
The way out besides organizing and fielding a federation of populist candidates not compromised and sold out, is to find and expose this blackmail. Epstein is a great part of that.
Because there is no line Israel could cross that would make these polits turn on them for real as is.
Honestly, I think blackmail makes the most sense.
The world has made it pretty clear it doesn't support Israel's genocide, but the genocide marches on regardless and no world leaders are committing to do anything meaningful to stop it, even with their own popularity declining. I keep asking myself why they fail to act, even when it would be in their own self-interest?
The answer is because it's not, and to act would mean ruinous consequences, because Israel has dirt on everyone.
Now this is borderline conspiracy theory stuff, but Mossad is supposed to be one of the most capable intelligence agencies out there and they supposedly operate by compromising people. There's even reason to believe Epstein himself was recruited by Mossad to gather dirt on the rich and powerful.
Ghislaine Maxwell's father was suspected by MI6 of being a Mossad double agent. He's also the person who introduced his daughter to Jeffrey Epstein.
I suspect either it's that or there's some crazy classified military politics going on that politicians only find out when they get into power.
Like an extreme truth behind the "only friendly nation in the middle east" the rhetoric.
"It turns out we need to make sure they're super happy and have an infinite ammo cheat code"
"He added that an initial inspection indicated the explosion originated inside the vessel"
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like the moment before the explosion "inside the vessel".
Video, from @globalsumudflotilla :
https://mastodon.bida.im/@globalsumudflotilla/115173009100352363
From onboard: https://mastodon.bida.im/@globalsumudflotilla/115173016250524101
The aftermath, via @Vegard :
https://fribygda.no/@Vegard/115172934131841905
"Tunisia's national guard told the AGF news agency that "no drone" had been detected"
They should probably look into that.
[Video, direct link: https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1965201956827185152/vid/avc1/640x360/N22ff1vJGQIh2qUG.mp4]
Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley): [https://youtu.be/WUFZWXitNQA]
spoiler
A drone appears to have struck a boat from the Global Sumud Flotilla while it was docked at a Tunisian port on its way to bring aid into Gaza, temporarily starting a fire. Nobody on board was harmed. The boat was reportedly crewed by the same activists who had attempted to sail to Gaza on the Madleen this past July, including Greta Thunberg.
And it is here worth noting that Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir recently said that Global Sumud Flotilla activists must be designated as terrorists and treated accordingly, in order to “create a clear deterrent” against foreign parties attempting to bring aid into Gaza by sea.
It is no mystery who the prime suspect is in this attack.
[Video, direct link: https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1965201956827185152/vid/avc1/640x360/N22ff1vJGQIh2qUG.mp4]
https://x.com/FranceskAlbs/status/1965202434298708363
This is such a dark and surreal timeline. I keep imagining going back in time a few years and trying to explain to someone from like 2019 that in 2025 there’d be a solid chance that the Israeli military might assassinate Greta Thunberg.
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Western officials have been falling all over themselves to express their deepest condolences and sympathy for six Israelis who were killed by Palestinian gunmen at a bus stop in Jerusalem on Monday, with statements pouring out from the US State Department, French President Emmanuel Macron, British Foreign Secretary Yvette Cooper, German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul, and EU Spokesman Anouar El Anouni.
Over six dead Israelis. After watching scores of Palestinian civilians get butchered by Israel every single day for two years without uttering a peep about them.
Make no mistake, with all this weeping and garment rending about six dead Israelis the leaders of the western world are openly and explicitly telling us that they do not regard Palestinians as human beings.
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https://x.com/caitoz/status/1964450127495708840
Israel supporters are so crazy and evil that the Los Angeles Holocaust Museum recently retracted a statement saying “Never again can’t only mean never again for Jews” after objections from Zionists.
The museum issued a statement saying, “We recently posted an item on social media that was part of a pre-planned social media campaign intended to promote inclusivity and community that was easily open to misinterpretation by some to be a political statement reflecting the ongoing situation in the Middle East. That was not our intent. It has been removed to avoid any further confusion.”
Think about how gross your position has to be for you to be all hey, let’s say no genocide for ANYBODY, and then immediately have to come back and clarify that you definitely weren’t saying no genocide for the Palestinians.
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Cracks me up that Israel supporters’ strongest argument that the Jews have claim to that land is “Okay, so, thousands of years ago, some people with similar religious beliefs to modern Israelis were forced to leave.”
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https://x.com/caitoz/status/1965069215767130244
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The point is to make forceful opposition to the Gaza holocaust mainstream. That is the goal here. This will necessarily entail celebrities cynically joining the cause far too late, politicians whose politics we despise joining our side, copious amounts of liberal cringe, and the same western media outlets who helped manufacture consent for this genocide suddenly pivoting against it.
Those of us who’ve been opposing Israel’s western-backed holocaust from the beginning should want this. We should welcome it, because we care about ending this mass atrocity more than we care about feeling superior to the mainstream liberals and conservatives who are carrying this issue into the front and center of public consciousness. Moving this issue out of the political fringes and into the mainstream has always been the goal; it’s too important to gatekeep.
As this issue picks up more and more steam, our role will shift from one of drawing attention to a historic injustice to one of leadership. The people in our communities whose attention is suddenly being steered toward this issue will need our help forming a clear picture of what’s been happening this whole time.
This will mean teaching people about the complicity of our own western governments. How both major political parties have played a role in inflicting this nightmare upon the Palestinians, not just since 2023 but for generations prior. How the mass media lied to them and manipulated their understanding of what was really happening. How we’ve been deceived about all the acts of mass military slaughter our government has involved itself in over the years. How we really don’t live in the kind of world we were taught about in school.
The mainstream public opening their eyes to Gaza creates an opportunity for us to help them open their eyes to so much more. Don’t waste your energy getting annoyed at the normies showing up late to the protest and saying naive things. Instead, be glad of their participation, help them form a truth-based understanding of what’s really going on with Palestine, and use this moment to radicalize them against the machine that gave rise to this horror.^[[1] https://archive.ph/HD9cs]