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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (5 children)

And yet we still can't get anyone to use "they're" "their" and "there" properly.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Reddit used to be full of grammar nazis.

You'd make a mistake and someone would point it out and you'd fix it.

Now barely intelligible run-on sentences are upvoted ad nauseum.

I'm sure if you wanted to you could actually chart the rise in stupidity.

At the end of the day people make mistakes. This is normal. It doesn't make someone stupid if they make a mistake or don't know the proper way to write something. What IS stupid is the pushback against writing anything correctly, the refusal to admit a mistake, and the widespread disinterest in there being a correct way of doing anything.

[–] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I prefer grammar nazis over real nazis though.... Reddit has really gone downhill.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

No argument there.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Women vs woman, breaks vs brakes. And we seem to be getting worse.

[–] itslola@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Pique vs peak. Discrete vs discreet. Pallet vs palette vs palate. The list is endless, and I've been seeing it more and more frequently, even from "journalists" published in major newspapers.

The other day I saw someone put a comma after "dear" in the salutation "Dear [name],".

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

Some of these could probably be consolidated into a single spelling if we're going to be pronouncing them the same. English could do with some simplification in some places.

The vocative comma is an interesting one, I wonder if you're seeing people omit it because so many business correspondence omits it.

For example, I absolutely hate the phrase "Good morning, everyone." The comma between morning and everyone seems unnecessary. It's not how anyone would say the phrase out loud. The only pause in the phrase would occur after "everyone", not before it.

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[–] Mac@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago

Missed opportunity to say "getting worst"

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[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

i literally pronounce these differently (theyr, thare and thère). how can someone even misspell them??

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[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (6 children)
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

I’ve completely forgiven misspellings at this point. Autocorrect is too aggressive nowadays. I’ll, your, I, I’m patient, their, it’s. It fucking fights me to the death on every single one of these because it’s trained on a data set that prioritizes the most incompetent people in the world seeming less incompetent. And it does it silently. I’ll glance back and find that my sentences are completely different from when I wrote them.

Make phone keyboards thinner than computer keyboards and I’ll be able to spell correctly again, without the assistance of a mechanical idiot. As phone keyboards currently sit, I have to stretch half a mile to get at the p

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Normally I do too, just felt extra funny in this context because "language rule".

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Those only stand out because they're new. We've had polite ways of talking about death or suicide or whatever for centuries, and I'm sure we will forever, because the subject itself is harsh. Sometimes you need to use slightly distant language. Sometimes that's the right tool for the job.

The only difference now is that the expressions people are using were chosen involuntarily. But that doesn't tell us anything about the speakers. It only tells us something about the censors.

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely this. Seeing people say unalive because they learned to speak trying not to anger The Algorithm is a bit sad.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 19 hours ago

what ticks me off about it is the specific euphemisms chosen, they're so fucking soulless..

i've heard people say "slimed" instead of "shot" in reference to charlie kirk getting shot to death, and that feels like something that wasn't created just to circumvent tiktok censorship.

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This is because there are two types of Social Media: Advertiser focused and personal data focused.

Advertiser focused ones don't want you to swear or use words like Rape, Kill, or Porn because Advertisers are skittish little pissbabies who don't want any type of controversy and just want silly memes and stupid dancing so you can see ads from influencers and/or themselves, they make money through ads. Stray too far dances and memes and slop onto actual tailored and interesting content, then they'll drag you back to the uncontroversial content (has happened to me a couple of times).

Data focused ones make their money from the data you give them. From what you like, what you say, what you do. They'll sell that data to advertisers so they can either sell you shit or decide if you can have the insurance you need to buy insulin that month. They want you on there as long as possible and the best way they can do that is to make you angry, scared, and hateful. They will look at your mental state and serve you ads that take advantage of that. The angrier and more furious you are, the longer you stay on there. That's where the slur people come from. That's also where things like pogroms and riots come from. These companies want riots, murders, and far right shit to happen because it actually makes money for them, so they serve you that with their algorithm. Sometimes they'll serve you ads to sway your opinion to whoever pays them money, like what they did with Trump and Brexit.

If you're curious...

Ad Focused

  • Tiktok
  • Youtube
  • Instagram

Data focused

  • Facebook
  • Twitter/X
  • Threads
[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

This separation is inaccurate, because the surveillance capitalism imperatives of big tech requires them to be both.

Social media needs ragebait influencers to attract people in the first place to harvest their data, and simultaneously requires projecting an image of being uncontroversial for advertisers. This dichotomy can be seen with Tiktok, which is infamous for pushing people further down polarising echo chambers, yet is unironically one of the fastest growing e commerce sites.

Simply being or or the other is a failing strategy. Purely uncontroversial platforms are too boring. Purely controversial platforms are too toxic. We can see the shittification of Reddit in its pursuit of becoming financially viable as an IRL example of this.

Any differences between the big tech platforms are at best surface level. Meta is genius in how they managed to give the illusion of Facebook and Instagram being separate, despite them explicitly sharing data as part of a vertically integrated surveillance capitalist enterprise.

Read Shoshana Zuboff

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is just flat out wrong. For example meta properties do not sell to other competitors, they use the data to show their own ads to you. Same for Google properties.

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[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago (7 children)

by slurs, i believe op was referring to n***a being used so casually.

also you’re wrong on what’s being censored on what platform….

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[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought they started using those euphemisms because of platform censorship?

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They did, but then it has begun to become part of the collective consciousness over time in regular speech because of that.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Because the platform’s algorithms block or delete your posts if you use certain words. They’re not “scared”, it just becomes habit to use alternative words to avoid censorship.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Gen-X defending Z - some places that ban those words force such twisting of the language to continue discussion, and I doubt it's Zs that are running those places. I always will jump in for the kids because I know if I had been born in their place, I'd be pissed off too. We Gen-X had our own dilemmas but millennials and younger really got the shaft.

[–] dmention7@midwest.social 5 points 3 days ago

Millennial here agreeing with you. Its slang, who cares? And if you do care, why the hell are you blaming the slang users instead of the forces causing it?

Slang has always been a result of kids evolving language to meet the needs of their generation, which usually involves trying to subvert normie-speak in one way or another. Make it hard for them to use certain language, and they improvise, adapt, and overcome. I find it really hard to draw a clean line between things like 50s hipster slang, leet-speak from the 90s, and whatever is going on now.

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[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

There once was a fucking time kids could their own language to their peers and everyone knew what they meant by it. But now we have robloxs speak and all of YouTube to inject brainrot straight into you're brain. Hell my first boyfriend was raised an iPad kid and ultimately we couldn't have conversations that would go anywhere. I at least steered him away from Trump (he thought trump would legalize weed, which he found on tiktok 🥱)

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'll say "unalive" or "heck" or whatever because it's kinda funny and also just irritates some of the most annoying people I've seen online at the same time.

So often they're being said ironically as a meta joke and it flies right over the head of people who get oddly defensive about it.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

just irritates some of the most annoying people I've seen online

Seriously, seeing people who say they oppose censorship attack others for using the "wrong" words is a trip

Be careful when you fight censors, least ye become one

[–] priapus@piefed.social 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I have never met a single person who is using those euphemisms outside of sites that will censor them.

[–] Kernal64@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I've seen it here on Lemmy. And the people who do it are REALLY defensive about it.

[–] priapus@piefed.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

i guess it makes sense that the people who do it are chronically online and I'd never meet them in real life

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

I'm glad a third is keeping the millennial torch lit

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Gen Z: swearing, but also not swearing

Juvanoia: this is so concerning

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

When "Fuck" has all the cultural heft of "darn" then the edgelords have no choice but to turn to whatever forbidden words are left.

[–] mateofeo85@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My niece says most boys at her school use the N word a lot in casual conversations.

[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The saddest part is how this came to be. It started with companies not wanting those "words" or "topics" being associated with their product, so advertisers started punishing creators who use these specific words.

Ok, fair, understandable...

But, when those topics are inevitably brought up they needed placeholders, so they started using those corny euphemisms.
The sad part is that, since there is essentialy not a single original thought left in a chronically online teens brain, they started mimicing this language even if there is no logical reason to do so, beside thinking it makes them more parasocialy connected to their favorite content creator.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

there is essentialy not a single original thought left in a chronically online teens brain, they started mimicing this language even if there is no logical reason to do so, beside thinking it makes them more parasocialy connected to their favorite content creator.

When I was a teenager I was told I didn't have any original thoughts in my head and just wanted to be a gangster rapper because a middle aged shop teacher heard my white ass say "yo"

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