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    Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls β€œthe plateau of sustainability”

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    Im using Debian but I’m definitely at the end of the downward path of the first spike

    [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago

    Arch. After every update I check what broke. And then discover things I forgot to check.

    I am still not sure if it's already safe to upgrade VirtualBox and iio-sensor-proxy, but I am too lazy to just downgrade them yet again.

    So I just...

    IgnorePkg   = iio-sensor-proxy # Issues in Wayland after suspend
    IgnorePkg   = virtualbox virtualbox-host-modules-lts virtualbox-host-dkms virtualbox-guest-iso # Segfault in 7.2.x, reverted to 7.1.8 - see sys-management-log.txt entry 2025-08-29
    

    If you're curious about the log entries:

    2025-07-06:
            downgraded iio-sensor-proxy to 3.6-1 as 3.7 caused issues after suspending
            added iio-sensor-proxy to IgnorePkg in /etc/pacman.conf
    
    2025-08-29:
            downgraded virtualbox packages to 7.1.8 as 7.2.x was broken (segfault)
            installed linux-lts-headers as the downgraded virtualbox suddenly wanted that
            removed and reinstalled related packages a couple of times (virtualbox-host-modules-lts, virtualbox-host-modules-arch, virtualbox-host-dkms), as well as switching between linux-lts and linux. Hopefully that didn't create any brand new funny business.
            I want to die
            added IgnorePkg   = virtualbox virtualbox-host-modules-lts virtualbox-host-dkms virtualbox-guest-iso to /etc/pacman.conf
    

    I recommend writing some documentation about your system. My Manjaro install became a total unknown mess after a while. I know I had to create some symlinks at some point to fix something, something something custom "XDG_CONFIG_HOME" dir with separate theme to un-break Cisco Packet Tracer on dark theme, edited startup script for Packet Tracer.
    On one Ubuntu VM I edited a bunch of config files that I didn't remember so it was just don't touch it while it works.

    But hey, I feel better after knowing that during high school our internet was down for weeks because something broke on main proxy server and nobody had documentation for the 2 decades old backup server, including the password, so it just ended up running in a "don't touch it" mode, except that it also limited download speed on unknown PCs (based on MAC) to something like 32Kbps, which after 20 years meant nearly any PC so the solution was to copy MACs from basically ewaste.

    Anyway... write documentation for what you do.

    [–] Vahenir@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

    I'm on garuda so i guess at the start on that. Already been through the valley of despair though, went back to windows and it sucked so i went right back on garuda, which has been working since.

    [–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

    Lol. My main PC is Nobora (Fedora fork). My kids laptop is tumbleweed and I'm setting up an HTPC with bazzite.

    So...two Fedora, 1 OpenSUSE.

    Guess I know where I place on this graph.

    [–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

    I was using Ubuntu and Linux Mint more than a decade ago, then I switched to Debian, so I guess I skipped most of this curve, lol.

    [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago

    I will never go back to ubuntu, begrudgingly or not

    [–] Tanoh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Using Debian since around Ham/Slink.. what are all these other icons?

    [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Peasants

    spoiler/j

    [–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Anybody who calls Linux "GNU/Linux" is rightfully at the bottom of both axes

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    [–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 5 points 3 days ago

    Put Bazzite alongside mint. I just want to game!

    Fedora Silverblue. My version of "mount stupid" (or "valley of despair") probably.

    [–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

    Lol openSuse → Mint → Manjaro→ Garuda so regressing idc

    I'm a tech moron, but I've been on Linux of and on since like 07ish. Full time since 2015ish. Started with Ubuntu way back when, and I've jumped around from distro to distro. I've tried Manjaro, mint, opensuse... God, I can't even tell you what else. I once installed that Miley Cyrus Linux and ran it for like a week as a gag. But from 2015 onward when I went full time I've basically just been in Fedora (including silverblue and Bazzite). I've got Ubuntu running on a mini PC I'm using to set up a server for jellyfin and a few other things. But as far as my daily driver goes, it's almost always fedora. I just fucking love it.

    But bear in mind here, I'm a pretty surface level user, so what I love is actually Gnome. Lol

    [–] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

    Just leaving the valley of despair, i suppose?

    [–] Addv4@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

    After running arch for a long time, I just installed the sway community edition of endeavoros on all my machines. It works well, while allowing me to use tiling without having a ton of configuration time.

    [–] fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago

    I've been in arch for like +2 years, I update every 3 weeks if I feel like it, it just works. If it doesn't I update and it again just works. If the update breaks anything (never happened) I have backups of the last 5 updates and the last 5 days via brtfs.

    Idk, i can't believe people crash their PC unless they do stupid stuff. And if you do stupid stuff, the distro doesn't matter. I started in Ubuntu/debian and managed to brick both of those several times. Then went back to windows until I went to arch after my CS major and learning to not do stupid shit, and zero problems since.

    [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

    Been using Kubuntu for 7 years now, after having previously used Ubuntu, Debian and Gentoo.

    Not sure if that means Kubuntu belongs on the "Plateau of Sustainability" or if I'm just permanently stuck at "trauma-induced return to Ubuntu," LOL

    [–] Mercury1337@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    Started with Redhat 35 years ago, moved to Suse, Gentoo and then all kinds of Ubuntu. Now with Mint but will soon leave for KDE Neon.

    The only constant in life is change..

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    [–] v3ctors@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    This is about my distro hopping journey. (kinda freaky honestly) Skipping the Red Hat CD's from compusa and some other fun times over the past 20 years ago or so. -LMDE is my keep going back to distro if I need it to just get out of the way, but have more creature comforts than vanilla debian. Cinnamon is great, it's kde without the issues for me. The driver manager is excellent and just everything from the mint utilities, themes, and polish are lovely. -MX/void/antix...I've never had the patience to learn not systemd. These are rad, I love the older school window managers and the light weight indie vibe. Maybe I'll stop being lazy and keep screwing with them in vm's and actually learn other init's.
    -Manjaro, I wanted to love you so fucking bad, I tried to more than twice and you were a massive disappointment each time. (if it's working for you, cool. But you should really just look at EndeavourOS/Cachy OS, you'll have a way better time)
    -Did the Arch from scratch thing. Just to do it. btw, I ran Arch.
    -Endeavour/CachyOS are amazing and you'll have a good time for the most part. More complete experience than doing it yourself with much less effort.
    -Fedora, ohh fedora. We've wanted to love you forever and ever. Going back to running linux as a Daily driver a few years ago, when I re-visited fedora it was exactly as this picture describes. Ironically, I just installed fedora, replacing cachyos last night. I spent the time to research and translate my arch notes into fedora and so far I'm pretty happy. Bit more fiddling out of the box than the derivative distros obviously. Gaming performance is what I expected once we got settled in and I haven't run into any show stoppers yet.

    It really doesn't matter what distro you run. As long as you can install and run the software you need, and interact with it in a way that makes since to you, then have fun. It's your computer.

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

    When I started most of those weren't even around...

    [–] sirico@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

    Fedora atomic I'm galactic mirror levels of plateau

    [–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Devuan. After bsds.

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