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Trump administration officials are perplexed, as many people are, by House Speaker Mike Johnson’s claims that Donald Trump was an FBI informant in the case against Jeffrey Epstein, who died by suicide in 2019 while awaiting trial on charges he sexually abused and trafficked scores of underage girls. The president and Epstein had a well-documented friendship.

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 70 points 1 week ago (15 children)

One wonders what the unfolding series of events pertaining to Trump/Epstein will be dubbed by future historians (assuming this debacle ultimately have any survivors to study what went wrong). The Moronic Saga? The Idiotic Epic? The Tragedy of Trump the Kiddie-Diddler?

[–] First_Thunder@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’ll be covered up just like the 8 and a half president of the United States Hehe

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 23 points 1 week ago

You know... Appointing six babies to the Supreme Court sounds considerably better than what actually happened.

Oh. Now I'm sad. Sadder. Maybe even saddest.

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Moronic Memoirs. The Idiot Epilogue. Pedophile Progress. Shit-hole Shenanigans.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 4 points 1 week ago

I like the way you think, and I want to subscribe to your newsletter.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Does this mean the era of ending every scandal with -gate is finally over? Thank fuck, that was an inane trend.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 3 points 1 week ago

I don't know, but I agree that it would be nice if it were.

[–] dmtalon 7 points 1 week ago

The tremendously terrible times.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

The Tribulations of Trump

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

The Presidential Pedo Files.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to be a bummer, but history is written by the victors, and we're losing...

I think it very well may do a 180, but it's just an educated hope.

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[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 45 points 1 week ago

The fact that only four Confederates in the House support this tells you everything you need to know. They know or suspect that Trump is implicated in these documents as a human trafficker and/or pedophile, and they will do everything in their power to protect him regardless.

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think we should give Trump all of the due process he's giving deportees, to decide his guilt or innocence in this Epstein matter.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I believe that all these articles and other fantastical stuff they spew is just obfuscation to keep eyes off of all the atrocities they are committing and plan to commit.

Edit: Some are true I should have said some other articles tossed in to obfuscate the real ones.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not at all. This is something that could sink the whole administration if it gets out of hand. That's something you want to have go quietly away, not constantly bring up.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup, I will keep saying this. The Epstein list is just a focusing lens of the US populace's rage. They know they are getting the short straw, they know they are getting fucked, they refuse to believe that the reason they are getting fucked is from the very capitalism that they get their national sense of self from... But, they do understand that raping kids is bad. Epstein allows Americans to vent their rage and call for tearing down powerful names because we can all rally as one around this issue, without having to question deeply held beliefs, even if those very beliefs are the cause of the illness.

[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Exactly. This is like the only issue that can't be turned into a wedge issue to divide us, since like the murder of a healthcare CEO, this is a class issue!

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

please please god, let someone kill them both. I'll never ask for anything again except for more high profile assasinations of fascist evils.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If one were to answer this call, would they become your god?

[–] LumiNocta@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Cool idea. Would make for an interesting story

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

They would certainly have proven themselves to exist

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The idiot conservatives should probably get their story(ies) straight before taking them public.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 week ago

Don't give them any ideas!

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 33 points 1 week ago

They’re REALLY worried apparently. I mean, this is just next level bullshit

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

It is Johnson's attempt to make sense of Trumps involvement with Epstein. Johnson is so narrowminded (like most MAGA-heads) that the fact that Trump is actually a criminal on several layers (con-man, tax cheater, pedophile, ...) simply does not register with him. There has to be another explanation (in his mind) for Trumps involvement with crime, and all that is left for his little brain is to think that Trump must have been an Informant. This also levels up Trump as a kind-of hero, justifying Johnsons worship.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So Trump is shy that if he releases the Epstein everyone will see how much of a hero he is and Trump is too modest for that. All makes sense now thanks

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

At least to them, yes. The MAGA brains would swallow such a lie hook, line, and sinker. And fishing rod, angler, and boat.

[–] oascany@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

The real Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Johnson knows, because he's covering for the crimes of MANY MAGAs, including himself. He knows Trump is guilty of all of it, including stuff we don't even know about, but he knows that the MAGA Morons need an excuse, any excuse, no matter how outlandish, so he's giving them one. It doesn't even have to be plausible, it just has to come from someone trustworthy (in their minds) that they can quote.

[–] Batman@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

He's so desperate for a narrative he has trump performing an actual job in his scenario.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

"He was hanging with the pedos because he was investigating them!"

Yeah, pal, I've heard that one before. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Back in the 90s, and beyond, I always assumed that Trump was an FBI informant, and that was how he stayed out of prison for his corruption and Russian money laundering. His criminal activity was well-documented, and stories of his crimes appeared often in the media, especially when Deutsche Bank was being investigated as the world's dirtiest bank, and it came out that Trump was a major client, along with Mafia Families, drug cartels, terrorist organizations, brutal dictators, etc.

Which was why the FBI was investigating him during his first campaign. He characterized it as spying, but they were simply investigating a well-known organized crime figure who was getting close to the presidency. The FBI wasn't "spying," they were literally doing their jobs.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

So I saw a pretty believable breakdown that would absolutely explain this. It's basically because they had a messy falling out over Trump being a spoiled brat. The timeline is as follows.

The inciting incident was Epstein putting in what he thought was a winning bid on a new mansion. Confident in his bid he then showed the property off to his good buddy Trump and asked some advice on some renovations he was planning. Trump then went to his Russian buddies, got a "loan" and put in a higher bid on the property ultimately winning it. This pissed Epstein off who was further confused because he knew Trump had been having financial problems and didn't have enough money to cover the bid he put in. Six months later Trump sold the property to the same Russian who had given him the money in the first place for twice what Trump paid for it laundering millions of dollars in the process. Epstein correctly realized that Trump just used his property that he swiped from him to launder Russian money which pissed him off even more. Enraged he called Trump and threatened to expose the money laundering. In retaliation Trump then informed the FBI about what Epstein had been up to on his island which is what ultimately led to his arrest. Whether Trump and/or the Russians then silenced Epstein and whether that was about Trumps participation in Epstein's crimes or about the money laundering who knows, but it definitely makes some pieces fit.

Edit: Dug up the video the claim was made in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTz6X5Bh_lw

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If that was remotely true, Trump would have been claiming responsibility for Epstein's arrest from day 1. It's simply not true in the slightest. It's a complete, wholecloth fabrication. A 100% lie.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, enigma or no he would not keep it as his wonderful secret every day.

Both blacmailers that is the secret, ratfuckers being ratfucked by ratfuckers controlled by foreign intelligence operations.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Is there evidence behind this narrative or is it speculation?

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I heard about it on a youtube video a few days ago, but if I recall the claims are coming from the author of a book. I think it was a biography of Trump, but it's been a little while and that detail was only briefly mentioned. I don't think there was anything concrete in terms of evidence, but the source did have a connection to both Trump and Epstein in that he interviewed them as part of his work. This wouldn't be the first time an interviewer claimed something that turned out to be false such as the sports writer that claimed Trump Jr. told him they got all the financing they need from Russia and so don't need US banks, but there's also not any reason to particularly doubt the claims either.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I heard about it on a youtube video a few days ago,

dude i know when we're talking about this subject like this we're at tertiary bullshit rumors already but like do you have the video or the book because either would be a better diving off point than googling [krasnov epstein (condensing your paragraph i've not finished my tea) russian money laundering arrest bullshit krasnov's fault]

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It took some digging, but I found it, it's this video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTz6X5Bh_lw The relevant part is around the 12:30 mark and it's an interview with a guy named Michael Wolff.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thank you. I haven't had time or headspace to watch or research this yet but it's something interesting and the name Michael Wolff rings a bell as a credible guy.

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Enraged he called Trump and threatened to expose the money laundering.

This kind of shows how casually they thought about being pedophiles.

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

They need someone on staff to help keep track of their lies.

[–] filcuk@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An insurmountable task just due to the volume of it at this point

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