Just remember, whenever you read, "social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism," you are reading part of the justification for why the USSR should sign a treaty with Nazi Germany. The actual justifications for this are complicated, I think it is actually not completely straightforward such as "Nazis bad, treaty with Nazis make USSR fascist." However that is exactly the sort of campist and obscurative reasoning that Stalin tries to make. The argument was not "the USSR is still critically underdeveloped next to the most industrially advanced country in Europe, and we need some time to industrialize before we can oppose European fascism." It was, "The social democrats in Europe are worse than Nazis, so the Nazis need time to crush their moderate wing."

You can kind of understand the Real Politic of Stalin. It's the same justification for the endless purges of his political enemies. I think that the historical basis for authoritarianism extends beyond the "great man." But the guy was probably the greatest historical revisionist of the last 150 years. Both his enemy Leon Trotsky and Trotsky's one-time secretary Reya Dunayevskaya meticulously documented how Stalin had history literally rewritten to make him seem like a more revolutionary figure than he was.

I recognize that Trotsky doesn't have a good rapport with anarchists, nor should he, after 1921. But If any leftist tradition "weighs like a nightmare on the minds of the living," it is the legacy Stalinism.

What's wrong about having a wartime ally and then declaring war on them?

I do that all the time in Total War. It's not a big problem if you have the armies to back up your chaotic strategies and if they complain, just wipe them out.

Seems like a bad call to me too, PTB. I'll reverse the ban.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26473218

I love how all tankie defense boils down to "dO yOuR OwN ReSeArCh"

Calling this one a PTB, it's not a shitlib thing to not ask the USSR to have not temporarily partnered with Nazi Germany.

Sorry but this is PTB. Criticizing Stalin and the USSR doesn't make one a liberal. Wtf.

PTB, Defending stalin for siding with nazis is crazy

There is infinetly more nuance

no there isn't. they worked with the nazis. it doesn't matter why they did it, they still did it. if the choice is working with the nazis or death, then the only choice is death. go out fighting and give them hell.

PTB.

PTB and on the basis of blatant misinfo as well. Disappointing

Linking to anything Cowbee said as "fact" is insane.

I'm banned from there for publicly calling out one of the mods for covertly supporting the American right-wing. I deserve the ban, let's be clear, I intentionally went out of my way to spam warnings across the community. That said, the moderation of that comm seems to be getting worse since I was last there.

PTB.

Edit: To be clear, this was the same moderator, who seems to be the head moderator, and in light of this, it now seems clear that they weren't just supporting the American right-wing, but moreso supporting any and all totalitarianism.

Before 1941 everyone collaborated, appeased, or worked with the Nazis in some form. And then 1941 happened and the Holocaust.

Rather than this being a lesson for future generations of why Nazis cannot be collaborated, appeased, or worked with: it seems as though this is some ace up the sleeve for catching modern debatelords for apparently being inconsistent.

Generally I think if you're using terms like 'shitlib' you're losing ground, and of there's someone saying 'tankie' there is unlikely any common ground to be found. Accurate or no, the first one to use either term is usually in the wrong, imo.