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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

I thought stream updated policies so that this time of foreign review bombing wouldn't be as apparent? (Reviews in your specific region counting)

Edit: they did. Still is very positive for everyone else

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

If they have a legitimate complaint (bad translation), it's not review bombing

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Though it's not really relevant to anyone not speaking that language, even if it's not review bombing.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I actually don't know if it's Steam or Enhanced Steam but there's a way to filter reviews by language. It's really neat to see something like overwhelmingly positive in one country, and mixed/negative in another country.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Oh that's was a default steam change (for the better)

Got tired of seeing random Chinese bullshit review bombing because a non-foreign specific game didn't give enough glory to the CCP and china to appease nationalists

[–] ZoeParker@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago

Things feeling overly flowery. Wuxia-style or even nonsensical, clearly show that tone matters as much as accuracy in localization. Let’s hope the upcoming fixes restore the game’s intended mood and readability for all players.

[–] dukemirage@lemmy.world 145 points 2 days ago (5 children)

One of the characters says „and btw Taiwan is a sovereign nation“

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] denaggels@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Bug report: not enough bugs in the city of bugs.

[–] FlowerFan@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago

Please tell me this is true

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge 90 points 2 days ago (2 children)

don't speak a language

have no idea yourself how the end product will turn out

every person you hire has to be trusted with a grain of salt and you have to take them at their word

Nightmare, but now that the game is out, it isn't like the content is under Fort Knox anymore and they can peer review it with the community until its right.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

I think translations should involve a pair of people where both know both languages but one is fluent in the one while the other is fluent in the other. Or a single person fluent in both, but if you don't know the other language, it can be hard to verify that fluency and I'm sure it's not very hard to find people willing to lie about their proficiency to get a job.

it's not like the cartridge age and they're burying them in the new mexico desert or something

[–] bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The main complaint seems to be that it is translated like a wuxia novel, which is incorrectly stated to be against the tone of the game.

Wuxia describes very near exactly the tone of Hollow Knight games: a lone, chivalrous but low-born warrior wandering the land fighting their way through a mythical world of bad guys, following legends and righting wrongs while journeying toward the ultimate prize/destination.

Coupled with zero examples of "bad translations", I'd take this article with a shaker of salt.

[–] KingRaptor@sh.itjust.works 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From the Kotaku article linked by PCGamer:

According to localization expert Loek van Kooten, one of the main issues is that Silksong‘s evocative but concise writing has been turned into “a high-school drama club’s Elizabethan improv night” in the Chinese versions. He cites the following as an example of how the prose reads:

With nary a spirit nor thought shalt thou persist, bereft of mortal will, unbent, unswayed. With no lament nor tearful cry, only sorrow’s dirge to herald thine eternal woe. Born of gods and of the fathomless abyss, grasping heaven’s firmament in thine unworthy palm. Shackled to endless dream, tormented by pestilence and shadow, thy heart besieged by phantasmal demons. Thou art the chalice of destiny. Verily, thou art the Primordial Knight of Hollowness.

Van Kooten goes on to point out that one of two of Silksong‘s Chinese translators, listed as Hertzz Liu in the credits, had a habit of gloating about their involvement in the game and leaking small details about the development process over the summer prior to its release this week.

I took a quick look at the English dialogue and it reads nothing like the example above. If the Chinese translation is really like that, then the tone is indeed quite different.

Kotaku also quotes the following from a Steam review:

First, the god-awful Chinese translation that everyone is mocking. It’s not just pretentious, pseudo-artistic nonsense—the phrasing and even the localization of place names are an absolute mess. I don’t understand how Hollow Knight’s fantastic, quotable translation turned into this unsalvageable heap of garbage in Silksong. The utterly idiotic localization has even affected the game’s world-building and storytelling, forcing me to guess at character relationships and main plot points. Thankfully, the combat holds up, or else I’d be completely disgusted.

While I can't verify it myself, considering the state of JP→EN translation I don't find any of this unbelievable. The complaints line up in what I see in English releases of Japanese games: Misplaced anachronistic language, altered world building, characters and major plot points changed sometimes dramatically (or even cut completely), not to mention unprofessional conduct by the translation team.

[–] bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (29 children)

That is very close to the English text of both the original Hollow Knight and Silksong.

Opening game description:

"They see your beauty, so frail and fine,

They see your peace, woven of faith and toil,

They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude,

When you wake they shall see your truth"

Dialogue

"May you ease your shell within, that your strength renewed can carry you higher."

"this is the final bell, it shall be rang the last time ever."

"Scoundrel! Fiend! Who dares wake brave Garmond from his well needed kip?"

"Hold there sister! A great beast stalks this land, swooping and screeching like an ill mannered tyrant!"

The HK games deliberately exist and speak in dramatic and archaic language in a world with knights, citadels, legends and lords.

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[–] salacious_coaster 101 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I guess gone are the days when we laughed at bad localization and enjoyed the game anyway.

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 75 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Somebody set up us the review bomb.

[–] threeonefour@piefed.ca 29 points 2 days ago

All your reviews are belong to us. You have no chance to positive. Make your time.

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[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 93 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Probably excusable when neither one of the devs speak the language. They probably trusted whoever did the translation and that's that. Seems like an easy fix though.

I am just curious how bad it could be that you would write a negative review about it. I've seen some pretty bad translations in my language, but it never made the game unplayable. I guess difficult to convey when you are not a Chinese speaker, the article examples don't mean much to me.

[–] GammaGames@beehaw.org 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

It’s insane, here’s the translation back to English:

With nary a spirit nor thought shalt thou persist, bereft of mortal will, unbent, unswayed. With no lament nor tearful cry, only sorrow’s dirge to herald thine eternal woe. Born of gods and of the fathomless abyss, grasping heaven’s firmament in thine unworthy palm. Shackled to endless dream, tormented by pestilence and shadow, thy heart besieged by phantasmal demons. Thou art the chalice of destiny. Verily, thou art the Primordial Knight of Hollowness.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From what I've heard, Chinese gamers are significantly more likely to leave a negative review if there are issues. I don't know if that's good or bad. I think it's good for consumers to demand the products they buy to be as good as possible, but it also just makes developers want to avoid them, or do things like Steam has and separate reviews by language by default.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 1 points 20 hours ago

We got jabronis who leave bad reviews because games are woke.

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[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 16 points 2 days ago (6 children)

This is one reason I've effectively stopped caring about steam review bombs. People review bomb over the stupidest shit and never change their review if the tiny issue is fixed

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A game having a bad translation in your language is a valid concern, and not "stupid shit".

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The dislike for the translation appears to be more a bunch of idiot not liking wuxia style speech.

This would be like English speakers review bombing silksong over it's Shakespearean style of speech.

The translation is fine and accurate to the source.

Calling it a bad translation is just objectively not true. At worse you could make an argument that it's too accurate and over steps instead of taking into consideration the gap between wuxia and modern Chinese versus Shakespearean and modern English

[–] regdog@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Translations are a delicate issue. It is not enough to translate the original words to their most accurate counterparts, you have to convey the intention behind the words. Are you a native chinese speaker?

[–] lath@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From people who have no translation in their own language, yes it is.

[–] AlboTheGuy@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

Big countries really sound entitled when you've lived a life of your language not even being considered, I understand where they come from but I can't help but feel a little aggravated

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

Poor translation seems like a pretty fair reason to me tbh, steam now groups reviews by language too

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 81 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Buying a game because it claims it is available in your language and then getting served an awful, nonsensical translation is absolutely not a stupid reason to leave a bad review.

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[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Didn't steam just change the reviews to be aggregated per language? So Chinese or Russian review bombs won't effect the rating that you see any longer.

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[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've stopped caring about steam reviews completely. Too often I have bought a game that was reviewed as overwhelmingly positive and it turned out to be some boring ass niche game. At least I got them refunded.

[–] loreng@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

Too often I have bought a game that was reviewed as overwhelmingly positive and it turned out to be some boring ass niche game.

Ironically, this is how I feel about Hollow Knight lol

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, this is caused because people flood in from their little discord server where everyone has crawled up the dev's ass. Once you learn to recognize this you'll never be able to unsee it.

[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 1 points 9 hours ago

This makes sense. I never went with the whole discord thing, so I didn't think of that possibility.

I have no idea why one would ever use that platform as a forum of sorts. To me it was always a bloated alternative to ventrilo or TeamSpeak.

For me, it's massive shitpost in reviews which I just want to know if the game is good. The worst thing is their often so unfunny and wish there's a way to filter out those reviews (which is using it loosely)

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