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[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Not gonna lie, I didn't expect him to blame a corpo product. I figured he was gonna make something up like a poor diet that's nebulous and doesn't cause financial harm to a company.

Although maybe he tried to shake down the company and they refused where others paid up.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What education, qualifications, experience and/or expertise does this clown have? As far as I know, the only thing he knows about "pharma" would have come from his heroin use.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Someone diagnosed him as being ASD at some point in his life and he's still mad about it because internalised ableism

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[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He said a bunch of shit that the country's most fearful and illiterate people loved to hear, he validated the fringe conspiracy theorists which breeds a kind of obsessive love that you can't buy with all the campaign money in the world, so Trump tapped him to keep pied-piper'ing the segments of rats who would vote for having a live porcupine stuffed down their pants if it meant validating the ONE topic that scares them the most. In this case, "mainstream science."

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, these are the sister-fuckers that BOOED their god-emperor Taco when he bragged about the vaccines (that he had next to nothing to do with - if anything we should be thanking Obama).

Because Taco is such a goddamned pussy, he backed off supporting the vaccines.

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[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Assuming autism is “caused” by something and there is an “increase” of cases (not just diagnosis). Shouldn’t we start checking on Monsanto and the pesticides before anything else? Why are they obsessed with vaccines and medications?

[–] Montreal_Metro@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Is there really an increase in autism or increase in awareness of neurodivergent/autistic people? The increase in diagnosis doesn’t necessarily mean there’s an anctual increase of cases. You can’t measure anything if you don’t look for it in the first place.

[–] a_jeering_serpent@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 days ago

This is a really important point. Diagnoses go up with each revision of the DSM (at least in the US, as it's put out by the American Psychiatric Association) because the authors are intentionally making the criteria more expansive.

To be clear this is policy and guidance playing catch up with reality, and it still hasn't caught all the way up.

Be wary of anyone conflating increases in rates of diagnoses with rates of occurrence, anybody talking about changes in rates of autism diagnoses that fails to speak to this is either being disingenuous or are themselves the victims of others disingenuity.

It's like putting down mousetraps and then being surprised to find mice in them. The mousetraps don't increase the number of mice (ideally they decrease them!) but they can change your perception of how many mice there are by increasing opportunities for exposure.

[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is there really an increase in autism or increase in awareness of neurodivergent/autistic people?

That's exactly what the person you're replying to meant by...

“increase” of cases (not just diagnosis).

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[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How far are we along with "autism is a genetic defect and we are now euthanizing defective humans for the benefit of society" are we?

[–] DriftingLynx@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

His fixation on autism is super creepy.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Especially as a 'disease,' not a spectrum.

Not to belittle the effects on people of course.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 59 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So something so ludicrously common that it basically can't be proved. Super.

Did you know that 97% of people killed in car accidents clean their teeth on a regular basis? I think we need to look into that.

[–] random8847@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

100% of people who died drank water

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago

it basically can’t be proved.

Due to a massive dip in Tylenol sales from the tainted bottles scandal in 1982, Kenvue can easily prove autism rates were not affected.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Tylenol.

Acetominaphen.

... Arguably the most common component of general, over the counter pain relievers... on the planet.

I mean...

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406

Here ya go, here's a 2024 study debunking the thing that RFK is likely referencing.

EDIT: Further, folinic acid as a 'treatment' for autism.

So... yes, there are early preliminary studies indicating that this may be a way of alliviating some of the effecfs of non-syndromic ASD.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5794882/

Non-syndromic ASD is essentially nonverbal, nonresponsive ASD.

... There are many autistic people and kids who are not non-syndromic, an ASD diagnosis does not even require this kind of behavior.

Further, the proposed mechanism of action in using folinic acid to 'treat' autism is that it acts upon an abnormal level of folate blockers...

While it is true that ASD folks tend to have more of these folate blockers than non ASD folks...

Many of them do not.

Generally speaking, abnormal folate pathways... appear to be called Cerebral Folate Disorder (CFD) by this Dr. Frye who seems to be spearheading this line of research.

... I am also somewhat concerned that many of his studies are funded by Autism Speaks, an organization notorious for, amongst other things, not actually allowing autistic people to speak, generally viewing autism, as Dr. Frye put it, 'a devastating life long condition', akin to leukemia (cancer of the blood) which must be cured, thus propogating a stigma, stereotype and fear of autism, and of course, being a shitty non-profit that spends the vast majority of its funding on 'operational costs', as opposed to... you know, actually doing things that might be helpful to autistic people... and more or less advocating eugenics while saying they aren't but then immediately afterwaed advocating a different kind of eugenics.

https://www.themarysue.com/the-autism-speaks-controversy-explained/

Nevertheless:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40362912/

There are a number of small scale studies like this one, done by people not directly associated with Dr. Frye, that do seem to show improvements amongst non syndromic ASD individuals who also have this folate abnormality and/or the genetic mutations that are associated with it....

But I am so far unable to find any large scale studies.

Soooooo...

Yeah.

I am going with 'very preliminary positive results for a subset of autistic people' on this one.

Maybe, maybe, at best, Dr. Frye has discovered an actually physically distinguishable subtype or subcomponent of ASD, and a potentially effective treatment for that subcomponent.

Maybe.

Oooorrrrr...

Maybe there should be a study which takes into account how ASD kids respond to folinic acid, when you also devise a way to measure whether or not the parents treat those.studied autistic kids as hopeless defectives, vs actual tiny people whose brains just work a bit differently.

There is still a huge amount of research showing that the 'nurture' component of a person's upbrining greatly affects their liklihood of developing, and severity of ASD.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 205 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Wow, autism turns out to be not only bad but also women's fault. Amazing what an investigation under the impartial leadership of misogynist neo-Nazis can discover.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

Will he use fake studies hallucinated by chatGPT for this report, too?

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 170 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Well as long as we can blame women, that's what's really important. Remember moms, if your child is neurodivergent it's entirely your fault you irresponsible hag.

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[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago

I link this worm infested brain dead twat to a very large piece of shit.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I had to look twice to make sure it wasn't The Onion. I pray to the god that doesnt exist that the world somehow recovers from this and people look back at this chapter of human history as the time we finally learned not to let fucking idiots be in charge...

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Anti-intellectuallism is a repeating story in world history. Something about human genetics makes our communities susceptible to this. Khmer Rouge and China's Cultural Revolution are a couple of examples of these movements gaining control of a government. Witch hunts (any woman with knowledge perceived to threaten church teaching must burn) were a long standing practice often driven from non-governmental actors.

It always passes, but previous iterations have taken decades or hundreds of years.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah, the age of the Non-Expert and the stupid people that think that's a good thing.

Like the podcasters on Professional Left say, I want some of these assholes that vote for this shit ("because Taco is not a politician!") to have their fucking teeth drilled by "not a dentist".

FFS.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 102 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There were no autistic people before the 70s, of course 🙄

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[–] the_frumious_bandersnatch@programming.dev 60 points 3 days ago (14 children)

Why are these people so desperate to find some external factor for autism?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Because the anti-vax people who have autistic kids hate their children. They hate that they're not perfect and "normal". And they hate that they have to deal with a child that requires more care than other people's children do.

I think we should make banners and say it out loud to every single person who can hear.

#Anti-vaxxers HATE autistic children

#Especially if that autistic child is their own.

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[–] zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because the religious and/or kooks don't sit well with the chaos/randomness of life.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Because they can't cope with random chance, there has to be a cause. They need a villain.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 94 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 66 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Why do the worst Kennedys live the longest?

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 85 points 3 days ago (6 children)

So my wife who can't take Tylenol yet my son is on the spectrum, I am doubting this finding.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Brace yourself, folinic acid and acedomediphine are about to be politicized. I'm reading up before the noise is too loud:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folinic_acid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol

And the pages are locked, if not defaced, lol.

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[–] KarlHungus42@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The makers of Tylenol are about to sue the shit out of this clown.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 52 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Sadly theyre going to sue the shit out of the US government, which we will all be paying for with tax dollars when they win… direct consequence courtesy of the morons who voted for this

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He will not make that link because it's not there and literally nobody can.

He may, however, lie and be wrong.

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[–] obvs@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Okay, so does that mean vaccines for everyone?

I mean, I can get behind giving everyone this false belief if it means they'd go out and get their families vaccinated. I'm not above weaponizing their stupidity to save their lives.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (10 children)

This is crazy and is going to get so many more people hooked on opiates.

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[–] waddle_dee@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (12 children)

What a fucking joke. Tylenol is literally like, the only painkiller you can take while pregnant. Our OB said only Tylenol. To attack this, that is in such broad use, is to clearly state that this study is bunk and they're just making shit up

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't know Kenvue, but i wish them luck killing RFK Jr. In court.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

They will effortlessly win this suit. Remember the tainted Tylenol scandal in 1982? This killed Tylenol sales for years. No effect on autism rates.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fucking crackpots in charge. This makes Lysenkoism seem sensible in comparison.

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[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (6 children)

That dude is talkin a lot of shit for a guy standing in the "get pushed in front of subway" zone.

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