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[–] orioler25@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow so comment sections here are just men patting each other on the back eh

Yep, the comments on many feminist social media posts prove the need for feminism

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Not to narc my brother in law but he quit his job to play video games because he was burnt out. He acts like getting Microsoft game pass points is a fulltime job and doesn't cook, clean, or do dishes in their house. He's going on 5 years acting like binge gaming is healthy

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

I see what they're going for, but I'm sticking with the real gold diggers being the ones who don't do any of that stuff and also don't pay any bills.

They're talking about some other concept, and should probably call it something other than "gold digger".

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

the REAL gold diggers literally dig... for gold

i've seen both balanced and unbalanced relationships of highly dominant woman, of highly dominant man, of one bringing in income and the other not, etc. i havent seen the specific type the person is mentioning yet. I saw one where the man had more income yet was 100% submissive to an extremely dominating woman. Also one where both had equal income but the man treated the woman horribly. Equal income but man lazy while woman hardworking at home? i think the closest i saw was a real estate woman who 100% supported her family and the husband was sort of lame and had no job, tho since he was the one at home he still did maybe 60% of home work id guess.

anyway, there are lots of bad relationship types. rawr!

and there are probably relationships that are the opposite of the meme where the couple has equal income but its the woman who is lazy and the man does more at home

[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Tbh, men carry their own mental load so consistently that I'm seeing news stories about how men are turning to AI for therapy instead of talking to literally any human instead

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

sometimes "carry the mental load" looks like organizing and remembering the grocery list, remembering whose birthdays are when and planning gifts and cards in time, etc. - it's not just feeling burdened with emotions or emotional labor in that sense (obviously men have emotional loads, and often don't feel they can be vulnerable enough to get help - but the problem there is still patriarchy, the same problem that puts women in the position the meme talks about: men and women have a shared enemy, and it's patriarchy).

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And sometimes "carrying the mental load" is being burdened by an endless emotional load from your partner, which I see (and personally experience) women unloading onto men, at minimum, an order of magnitude more often than the reverse. Are we just ignoring the load incurred by "venting"?

[–] AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't want you to solve my problem I just want you to listen powerless to do anything about this problem that will continue to be a negative impact on your life quit judging me.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 days ago

it's not about whether you want your partner to do anything about the problem or not, any person with empathy will feel hurt if their partner feels hurt. I think there simply should be a balance between venting and keeping it for yourself.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We can't talk to humans, admitting to having feelings and problems is seen as weak and unattractive. It's just a another part of the load.

I was emotionally vulnerable with my ex one(1) time and the relationship mysteriously began falling apart immediately afterwards.

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

The minimum wage is $7 an hour dear.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Leave it to bourgeois feminism to recognize a real and serious problem in today's system (the exploitation and deliberate oppression of women via unpaid labor to grow future workers to be exploited by capitalists for no cost to them), only for them to toss aside the class character of the problem and blame men.

[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No, it's definitely both. You're just not going to get an essay-length nuanced analysis out of a Tweet, so it's easy to give people the least charitable interpretation. It's unfair to reduce feminism and the larger points about divisions of labor to this one tweet, and then take the moral high ground. Twitter and Bluesky suck and have little redeeming value, but here is a chance to have more extended discussions without making snap judgments.

There's a portion of Marxist men, certainly not all of them, who partake in essentialism and are reluctant to take women seriously, along with other cultural issues. The class struggle is a venn diagram with the rights of people in marginalized groups. It's important, but it's not absolutely everything.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

are you on our side or not? feminism should incorporate class analysis, but feminism cannot be reduced to class analysis, patriarchy will be a problem whether women are exploited by capitalism or some other economic system

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I'm definitely on the side of marxist feminists (which is one of the bigger branches/theories in the feminist spaces), which is one of the major theories that is based on class analysis and one that recognizes how capitalism and patriarchy (which are not being conflated into one) are interconnected and support one another.

It's also opposed to bourgeois feminism, which might deliberately omit systemic causes behind oppression (see: the original post) and just aims to benefit women at the top while working class women get shafted.

Hope this answers what my stance is at least.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

just a small tip, if you want to keep alliances with other feminists, criticizing them for targeting patriarchy and double standards between women and men as being "bourgeois" for not including class analysis is only going to alienate and work against the solidarity we need as a movement

I'm not sure everything you see as bourgeois feminism is as genuinely "bourgeois" or problematic as you think - it's not like the meme is perpetuating Sheryl Sandberg style thinking even if there is more that could be said about the situation.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago

Thanks for being awesome, comrade 🫶

[–] MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Is it "bourgeois feminism," or just the inherent limitations of Twitter/Bluesky as a medium and its inability to provide extended context to thesis statements?

'Class' in the hierarchal marxist sense, while real and coloring just about every socially mediated thing, is not the only factpr or criteria.

If you have to pick only one to observe, or observe first, its a pretty good one. If you can only pick one, or make judgements on literally the first factor you observe, you are not a functional intelligence; just a better flavor of reactionary.