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The Instances That Prefer XMPP Over Matrix For Decentralized Private Chatting (media.piefed.ca)

submitted 1 week ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/fedimemes@feddit.uk

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I suppose they have arguments about the protocol being more energy efficient. They will need to convince the dev of Fluffy Chat to port the protocol for me to switch over.

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[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's generally more hasslefree and much faster, and it is easy to connect xmpp accounts with Lemmy or Piefed and thus be reachable under the same federated address.

If anyone is interested in adding a linked XMPP server to their instance, I am willing to help with advise. Just PM me or contact me on XMPP with the same username as here.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do admins of XMPP rooms have to update their groups separately from the homeserver?

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not exactly sure what you mean, but if you are referring to Matrix like room versions then that entire concept doesn't exist in XMPP (which prevents a lot of problems).

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds nice, so do all the rooms get updated alongside the homeserver?

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, "yes". But there isn't really such a thing as updating a room. In xmpp, rooms follow a standard and communicate additional optional capabilities to clients.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

XMPP not being E2EE exclusive because of it's age is not the greatest but I'm assuming that modern extensions have fixed that.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

Most apps enable it by default and display a warning when it is disabled, which is by far preferrable over enforcing it.

[–] Turret3857 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My main issue with XMPP at this time is there isn't a client I like. The one I see most recommended is one that looks almost exactly like element IMO. I would want something that looks similar to Mattermost/Cinny/Slack, but as far as I can tell it does not exist. I'd love to use XMPP, but the projects I follow are mostly on Matrix (and discord :/) and there isn't an appealing client for me, so I really can't justify using it.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Which XMPP client looks like Element?

I think https://prose.org/ is quite Slack like, but it is still missing some features since it is quite new.

[–] Turret3857 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Gajim

Prose looks really cool, I'm going to have to try it out. It never came up when I was looking a few weeks back :P

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I find that it looks more like Discord, but sure, Element also copied a lot of stuff from Discord.

[–] Turret3857 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Gajim Screenshot of Gajim for XMPP

Element Screenshot of Element for Matrix

Discord Screenshot of Discord

I honestly feel like if you swapped the Gajim and the Element screenshot I wouldn't even notice. Discord's layout is a bit different even if not by enough that some people wouldn't realize it

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

Switch Gajim to dark mode and close that thread view in Discord and it looks almost the same.

But yes there is a lot of UI copying, but Discord is clearly the main inspiration for both.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the screenshots!

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I tried adding an avatar using Monal but it didn’t work 😭