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The majority of the sweeping tariffs Donald Trump imposed during his second term face one final litmus test that will determine whether he can continue to levy them – and also whether businesses are eligible for massive refunds.

That potentially dramatic turn in the tariff saga comes after a federal appeals court ruled on Friday that Trump unlawfully leaned on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose across-the-board duties on countries.

Trump had used those powers to push import tax rates as high as 50% on India and Brazil – and as high as 145% on China earlier this year.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

Eehhh, consumers paid this, not the businesses. This way businesses would essentially get a bonus

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 25 minutes ago

That's the point of Republican business support. Remember COVID, where businesses got money to "survive"?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago

Oh so we get to pay twice then. Great.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 37 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

All that money will go to the businesses, you’ll get a coupon for $1 off and a free credit check.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

Wouldn't surprise if this is part of the scam. Put on tarrifs, hike prices. Let the customer pay and then give companies a rebate with tax money. So the average citizen is charged twice. And of course those price hikes will only go partially down. So the consumer keeps getting screwed.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Soon "See, this is yet another example of why we can't trust the government to do anything right and why we should defund and shutter all of our public institutions." - moderate pundit on well respected mainstream news channel

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

You think the price hikes are going down? Lol

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

The average citizen is charged more than twice when you consider that they're paying a much higher tax rate than the ultra-wealthy.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago

It is. Trump has his own stablecoin. That means he needs to hold massive $ reserves. So high rates due to lots of government debt are good for Trump.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

And they'll continue to raise prices. It will become the new "supply chain issues".

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 39 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

How far does this refund go? My distributor paid the tarrifs and then passed that cost onto me, which I passed onto my customers.

Will my customers, distributors, or myself be refunded? I assume just my distributor since they directly paid the tarrif. And I doubt prices will come down when tarrifs end, so everything is permanently more expensive for no fucking reason, and the top middle man just boosted his profit margin through the roof.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

So that would mean that the Trump tariffs were sending American money overseas for no reason. I doubt it'll actually happen, but holy shit is Trump an incompetent idiot.

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No, the US company recieving the import pays the tarrif to the US government.

But yes, Trump is an idiot.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

Oh, duh. I'm embarrassed I got it confused. I was thinking that the cost is passed on to the importer, but it's actually paid by the importer.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 6 points 2 hours ago

This was abundantly clear since he was on Howard stern in the 80’s haha

[–] paperazzi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Yes, yes he is and that was abundantly clear from his first term. But at least the female POC didn't get in, right? Dodged a bullet there.

/s of course

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

What are you distributing?

[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I'm a locksmith, I mostly program car keys for customers. Basically every car key is produced overseas.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Seeing that our Judicial branch is limping along, and at least attempting to curtail this march toward totalitarianism, gives me hope.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if this happens.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 56 minutes ago

AKA: Trump's standard delaying tactic whenever he gets ruled against.

Appeal everything no matter how ridiculous, just to waste time and allow him to keep doing whatever shitty thing for a few more months/years until all appeal venues are exhausted.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 24 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

how would refund like this even work? Many businesses closed shop entirely due to these tarrifs, could they sue the government too? This would be crazy and this massive overhead risk could block the entire thing.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 25 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

This is why huge policy changes are discussed and planned for years. One guy being able say "Tariffs starting on Monday!" is fucking idiotic.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Yuuuuuup! One of the key parts of planning policies is evaluating its strength in court. SCOTUS gave the executive branch a free pass to just try anything with zero consequences. Why bother asking if something is legal when it literally doesn't matter if it isn't.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Most likely the only ones getting refunds are those joined to the law suit that got the tariffs removed. Everyone else is SOL.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 4 points 3 hours ago

No refunds, sorry.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Hopefully this means i might be able to get an Xpeng. Tired of waiting for our manufacturers to catch up.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 5 hours ago

much like all the other illegal shit dumpy mcshitpants has done, who is gonna tell him he can't have his big boy tariffs?

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 46 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

So the idiot who managed to ruin every business he ever owned created an absolute clusterfuck running the US, who could've known?

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 16 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Hey now, he only serially ruined businesses in order to enrich himself. Dodging taxes and shit like that makes him a good businessman, actually. Just ask my old boss. He'll tell you all about trump's genius business acumen in excruciating detail all day long. Yes, he does own his own business, no it's not doing well but he's got a corvette, so he's pretty sure he's right.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Points for consistency? 🤷‍♂️

[–] C1pher@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago

Only that the artist is none.

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 23 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Surely the price hikes will reverse at that point and won't just remain higher indefinitely causing another price/price inflationary spiral.

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