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The majority of the sweeping tariffs Donald Trump imposed during his second term face one final litmus test that will determine whether he can continue to levy them – and also whether businesses are eligible for massive refunds.

That potentially dramatic turn in the tariff saga comes after a federal appeals court ruled on Friday that Trump unlawfully leaned on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose across-the-board duties on countries.

Trump had used those powers to push import tax rates as high as 50% on India and Brazil – and as high as 145% on China earlier this year.

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[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 11 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

How far does this refund go? My distributor paid the tarrifs and then passed that cost onto me, which I passed onto my customers.

Will my customers, distributors, or myself be refunded? I assume just my distributor since they directly paid the tarrif. And I doubt prices will come down when tarrifs end, so everything is permanently more expensive for no fucking reason, and the top middle man just boosted his profit margin through the roof.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 6 points 51 minutes ago

So that would mean that the Trump tariffs were sending American money overseas for no reason. I doubt it'll actually happen, but holy shit is Trump an incompetent idiot.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 1 points 40 minutes ago

What are you distributing?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 9 minutes ago

All that money will go to the businesses, you’ll get a coupon for $1 off and a free credit check.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 3 minutes ago
[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 17 minutes ago

Seeing that our Judicial branch is limping along, and at least attempting to curtail this march toward totalitarianism, gives me hope.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if this happens.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

how would refund like this even work? Many businesses closed shop entirely due to these tarrifs, could they sue the government too? This would be crazy and this massive overhead risk could block the entire thing.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 10 points 48 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

This is why huge policy changes are discussed and planned for years. One guy being able say "Tariffs starting on Monday!" is fucking idiotic.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 2 points 33 minutes ago

Most likely the only ones getting refunds are those joined to the law suit that got the tariffs removed. Everyone else is SOL.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 2 points 42 minutes ago

No refunds, sorry.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 hours ago

much like all the other illegal shit dumpy mcshitpants has done, who is gonna tell him he can't have his big boy tariffs?

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

So the idiot who managed to ruin every business he ever owned created an absolute clusterfuck running the US, who could've known?

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Hey now, he only serially ruined businesses in order to enrich himself. Dodging taxes and shit like that makes him a good businessman, actually. Just ask my old boss. He'll tell you all about trump's genius business acumen in excruciating detail all day long. Yes, he does own his own business, no it's not doing well but he's got a corvette, so he's pretty sure he's right.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Points for consistency? 🤷‍♂️

[–] C1pher@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Art of the deal?

[–] TipRing@lemmy.world 20 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Surely the price hikes will reverse at that point and won't just remain higher indefinitely causing another price/price inflationary spiral.

[–] amzd@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

The companies importing products sold their debt to massive debt collecting firms who will receive the rebate so no.

[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago

And the prices? Oh nothing will fundamentally change 😉

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 20 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Never mind the consumers eh? WE are the ones most directly affected. Businesses lost nothing

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

plenty of businesses literally closed FYI

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 14 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

How much of that will be pocketed by his cronies because the rules for payout were vague enough for their random LLC.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Lutnick's company has been literally buying up claims to these tariff refunds for pennies on the dollar.

https://www.wired.com/story/cantor-fitzgerald-trump-tariff-refunds/

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 hours ago

Pretty sure refunded tariffs will be based on transactions and... Yeah you are right nevermind.

[–] ALLGLORYTOHYPNOTOAD@lemmy.world 89 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

That money should go to us because the business passed the price increases on to us!

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 36 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The businesses will raise a lawsuit that the money is theirs and you will lose again.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 34 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

And the prices won't go back down.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 15 points 7 hours ago

And half the country will blame immigrants and trans people

[–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

This exactly.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

When do Trump and the magats drink the poison koolaid? I’m getting impatient

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think that happens until command gets forced into the bunker and the army is defeated.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

75-85 million people died before that happened

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 minutes ago

Hrm, 77 million people voted for him...

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 2 points 2 hours ago

and this time we have nukes from the start

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Hoping for Trumplethinskin to kick the bucket soon. It'll be a doozy. I can barely contain myself watching the news of him looking decrepit.

[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 260 points 12 hours ago (10 children)

Not only will the consumers never see a dime of any of the money if it's refunded, the companies aren't going to lower prices because you've already absorbed the price shock.

[–] whiwake@lemmy.cafe 111 points 12 hours ago (17 children)

Right. Everything today is about softening you up. They say, we will kill you—and you panic—then they roll it back to just losing an arm, and you’re happy about it.

[–] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Alas, a lot people have already lost an arm and a leg and there's still no end in sight.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 18 points 9 hours ago

This is called "price anchoring" when used in business. They throw out an outrageously high number to start and then follow it up with something less to make it seem like a good deal when that was really the price they wanted all along.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

$200 billion / 330 million Americans = $606 each. More or less.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

And that's just the illegal tariffs.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago

Around $6000 to my small business. I’m sure the Supreme Court will side with Trump though.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 66 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Small businesses, back of the line. Gotta make sure those billionaires don't lose out first.

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[–] Mobiuthuselah@mander.xyz 45 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Was it not the end consumer who paid those tariffs?? Frankly, I'd rather it be given back to the business at least, but let's not pretend that they didn't extract it from their customers. End it so that other companies can't as easily gouge based on the idea of tariffs.

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