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[–] airportline@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

I'd like to see what the metrics for the Fediverse would look like if it included federated Threads users.

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, but bluesky has users.

[–] tfm@europe.pub 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty happy with engagement in the Fediverse.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Exactly.

Communities are not higher quality with a million people. Small communities where you can know who the other posters are are a much better experience.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

this is where there can be disagreement, specifically if someone wants help with an issue they don't care if the person is great thunburg or x_h1tt1er42069_x they just want a solution

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

There can be disagreement about anything.

I’m just not wasting my time trying to have a conversation with x_h1tt1er42069_x. I can find him at anytime on Reddit if I have a problem that only he has a Solution.

Having such a person in this community wouldn’t be an enjoyable experience.

If there are other posters...

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

Me too I love the hate bots.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] sausager@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Twitter has more bots.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So does Reddit but you presumably see some value in federated platforms yea?

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Oh yeah sure. I'm here after all, jumped ship from Reddit a year or so ago and I actually prefer Lemmy.

I jumped ship from twitter to mastodon around the same time. And while I like the idea of mastodon and I like the interface, fact is that Reddit / lemmy is a different sort of usage from twitter / bluesky / mastodon. Twitter I mostly used to keep up with my favourite content creators, and occasionally shout at clouds. Those content creators just aren't on mastodon, they've mostly moved to bluesky. Those are the users that are the foundation of a platform like that. So yeah, I use lemmy and bluesky now.

TBH I'm not sure mastodon could scale up big anyway - it would be a nightmare trying to regulate bad content and comply with local laws etc.

[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Are you me?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kirk@startrek.website 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm always shocked by the number of of BlueSky fans that show up on Lemmy. If they don't care about centralization why are they here and not on Reddit?

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because they've been told it's federated and don't understand that it really isn't. My bluesky profile reads "Created a profile until you all figure out Bluesky is another Twitter."

All I use it for is to read post from people not on mastodon and to reshare my bridged posts from mastodon.

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Most likely because they care less about the idea of federated platforms and more about "not Reddit" and "not Twitter." I'm one of those users personally (not that I don't care about the idea, it's good to have a return of what is effectively 3rd places of the internet). Most of them, like me, probably came here during the Reddit migration and moved to BlueSky when that took off in popularity.

If I didn't dislike the Twitter format as much, I'd probably spend more time on BlueSky than forgetting about it until one of these threads appears, and I'd probably be on Tumblr still if I didn't only use social media from my phone and Tumblr didn't have such a horrible app.

People are going to go where the people are, for better or worse, until something pisses them off enough to go somewhere else. I originally created a Twitter account to follow a bunch of artists I followed who left Tumblr during the porn ban. I didn't care for the platform (I hate the tweet format) but that was where all the artists went so I followed. Similarly, when the 3rd party api fiasco hit Reddit, I left and immediately went looking for where the people from the subs I read by "newest posts first" went - except the communities fractured and disappeared. It was the possibility of them reforming here that made me go through a GitHub to figure out how to make an account (spoiler: they never really did reform). I had no idea what a federated platform was supposed to be or do.

The fact that Lemmy is so niche is its biggest advantage and its biggest curse. You either love how small it is, like Reddit back in the day, or you suffer the lack of population for the things that you're into, and the very nature of the federated platform makes it that much harder to centralize enough people in one niche to form a community (there we go again - centralization). Lemmy is the Wild West frontier town to the big social media giants' company towns.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Alternate history: Bluesky never happens. Instead, some company opens up a Mastodon instance as a Twitter replacement. So instead of Bluesky with 12M+ users, there's a Mastodon instance with 12M+ users. Now what?

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

How do you algorithmically manipulate those 12M people with Mastodon? BTW, Bluesky has almost 40M users.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How do you algorithmically manipulate those 12M people with Mastodon?

The usual way, whatever that is. What would Mastodon do about it? How do you manipulate Bluesky?

BTW, Bluesky has almost 40M users.

It's the number in OP, so I ran with that. The fediverse number apparently excludes Gab and Truth Social. Makes sense, since those aren't federated with the rest, but that also shows an issue.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

How do you manipulate Bluesky?

The same way you manipulate Twitter, by tweaking the algorithm.

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago

It only has to be compatible with Mastodon, not necessarily be an actual Mastodon instance, see Meta's threads.net.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Capitalists love interoperability when they can use it to disrupt other capitalists. When they get in a dominant position they hate it.

It's basic enshittification theory.

It is my understanding Bluesky outright is not decentralized. It may have an API that allows satellite instances but if the main official instance goes down the platform dies.

Mastodon, Lemmy and their siblings are decentralized in that no one instance is sacred. If sh.ijust.works were to go offline right now, the rest of Lemmy would keep right on trucking. Hell, all of "Lemmy" could die and Mastodon and Peertube et al would keep right on trucking.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 9 points 6 days ago

For those who enjoy in-depth write-ups, Christine Webber has looked at how decentralized BlueSky is really, before: https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698

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