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It's only genocide if its from the Völkermord region in Germany. Otherwise it's just sparkling mass murder.
The sheer volume of actual Germans on Lemmy that believe this statement and will argue about it is shocking.
Some weird guilt complex that still lingers on even though that generation will soon wither and die.
It's not true, you're CIA, and even if it was true it would be a good thing.
You're CIA.
(/s obviously)
(You're CIA)
He's CIA, I backtracked his IP address.
Consequences will never be the same
Well, I got the reference at least...
A year or so ago, the new UK government sent a delegation to China to improve relations and shore up trade and investment deals, ignoring criticism from the left about Uyghur genocide
This is what the Tankies get fundamentally wrong about the modern world - the idea that anything anti-China is a smear to further Western Imperialism is a throwback to the cold war dichotomy of The West vs Communism.
In reality now, it's all about investment and global trade, neoliberal wealth generation over human rights. Of course propaganda is real and everywhere, but the framing of it all as West vs East is just incredibly outdated and oversimplified.
Downplaying or waving away mistreatment of the Uyghurs puts you on the same side as Western Governments, so dismissing the issue as Western Propaganda is fundamentally flawed
Fucking thank you. I see people railing against imperialism by describing the world through an entirely imperialistic mindset. They are so lost in the sauce they can't see straight.
Yeah, people heard their grandpa say racist/straight propaganda against a country they know in the modern day as useful and decide to go overboard protecting it as if every negative statement cant be trusted.
Its definitely not the same world anymore and protecting bad behavior of human treatment behind past victimhood does nothing to help. It just excuses away one more abuser who is trying to make a buck.
The meme checks out: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-xinjiang . Birth rate was 1.588 in 2017 and at a similar level in the years before that, 1.069 in 2018, 0.814 in 2019 and so on.
Extra surveillance and repression reportedly started in 2014, mass incarceration in 2017.
Idk, if you educate women the fertility rate usually drops, so it stands to reason if you reeducate them it'd drop even further...
So they just built a lof of universities and accepted women free of charge. So generous! We should follow their example.
Not that quickly.
Dark.
If you browse other regions of China there, in some (mainly the ones whose names I didn't recognize which I expect are the most provincial hence why I've never heard of them), you will find a fall in birth-rates from aproximatelly the same values to the same values (i.e. around 1.4 to around 0.6, for example https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-jiangxi and https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-shaanxi) but none but Xinjiang have that steep drop in 2017.
Something happenned in Xinjiang at around 2017 and for at least a couple of years that did not happen in the other regions of China.
We can't really deduce anything about what's still happenning there, either way, from that graphic.
EDIT: There is a response to this post where a link is provided to a report by a Think Tank created by and openly funded by the Australian Government (as shown right there: https://www.aspi.org.au/about-us/, second paragraph). The post were I pointed out that such a source has a conflict of interest, hence that report can't just be outright trusted, has been moderated away as "misinformation" even though my claim is proven by their own website. Feel free to draw your own conclusions as to why such a comment was removed by a moderation action backed by a false justification (as the page above proves), especially in light of the specific subject we're talking about here.
There was also per county data available, showing a correlation between the size of the decline and the ethnic makeup of the county: "The largest declines have been in counties where Uyghurs and other indigenous communities are concentrated. Across counties that are majority-indigenous the birth-rate fell, on average, by 43.7 percent in a single year between 2017 and 2018. The birth-rate in counties with a 90 percent or greater indigenous population declined by 56.5 percent, on average, in that same year." https://www.aspi.org.au/report/family-deplanning-birthrates-xinjiang/
Stop being racist against the Chinese you AmeriKKKan fascistic nazi! Go and read theory! /s
Pretty sure if I criticized the CCP, the wumaos will call me a "汉奸" ("han traitor") despite me not having PRC Citizenship anymore (and I didn't even renounce it, they were the ones that revoked it 🤷♂️)
It's a pretty widely accepted fact that no matter your citizenship, the party will always consider you Chinese ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Out of curiosity, do you know where the phenomenon of Chinese people, outside china, referring to locals as ”外国人“ stems from？I've found this fascinating as in english you refer to yourself as a foreigner when you are in another country, not the locals.
Is this just a language thing, or is this also influenced by the mindset brought on by heavier nationalism (than I'm used to, anyway, in Australia), in your opinion?
Out of curiosity, do you know where the phenomenon of Chinese people, outside china, referring to locals as ”外国人“ stems from？I’ve found this fascinating as in english you refer to yourself as a foreigner when you are in another country, not the locals.
Idk what people using Mandarin say, I don't talk to Mandarin speakers a lot. In Cantonese, its "鬼佬" which is probably most accurately translated as "outsider", rather than "foreigner" (as in terms of nationality/citizenship). As for "外国人", I think people just conflate country with ethnicity, and also because the "国" (country) would be referring to the ancestral country, not the country they're currently at, so I assume it also is supposed to mean "outsider".
These are bascially just a all encompassing terms to use to describe people who are not ethnically Chinese. And to clarify, I don't think these terms are inherently hostile, I think its more like not feeling welcomed/accepted by the local community. It can be used both positively or negatively depending on context. Its tribalism basically, because you're in an unfamiliar place and you feel like you want to stick together to survive.
Because... think about it this way, Wong Kim Ark, was by default, denied of his birthright US Citizenship because he was non-white, and he had to fight a court case over it (he won, this happened all the way back in 1898). So imagine being in that time period, imagine all the discrimination and xenophobia, you can see why the "outsider" term would be used, right? I think this sentinment just continued down to present day.
Really appreciate your insights on this, and can understand tribalism in the context of being treated as an outsider. Also, even in countries where foreigners' work rights are relatively not that much worse than the locals (Australia), there is still plenty of people being taken advantage of because they're afraid of losing their visa (people not on permanent visas).
I think your analysis makes sense, because the Mandarin speakers I've heard also don't refer to Australian born Chinese as 外国人 (foreigners), but rather as 华人 (something like ethnically Chinese). So I do suspect they're using 外国人 as an ethnic catch all for any races not historically from China.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I still find this use interesting, because 国 (country) doesn't just refer to China, but any country in general（法国，德国，美国）this makes my understanding that speakers are always speaking from the perspective of their country of origin, rather than where they physically actually are.
Language is interesting!
This is a country that had a one child policy for the ethnic in group. But to do this in secret betrays intention.
Lmao at CCP apologists here. Just cut the noise of "he said, she said"-type of denunciation of sources because it's "Western" and use Occam's razor on this. Most people don't want to be bothered and to just get on with their lives. If the Uyghurs are indeed not being genocided, hundreds if not thousands of them would not bother to protest. Because if they aren't, they would prefer to simply get on with their own lives. There are too many complaints not to ignore if there is no genocide happening. If there's smoke, there's fire.
I would love to see the Chinese version of The Simpson’s (dubbed in English)
Their attempt at The Colbert Report was… special. ❤️